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Do Christians Even Have a Chance Against Oregon’s Bureaucracy?
National Review ^ | 07/08/2015 | David French

Posted on 07/08/2015 4:46:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: christians; gaymarriage; oregon
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To: SeekAndFind

Anybody out there still think there is redress WITHIN THE EXISTING “legal system”?

Lock and load, boys and girls.


21 posted on 07/08/2015 6:01:04 AM PDT by Flintlock (Our soapbox is gone, the ballot box stolen--we're left with the bullet box now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The left

STUDIOUSLY IGNORES

that Muslim bakers refuse to make gay “wedding” cakes.

Also, if Oregon’s Christians seek to beat the bureaucracy, the term is “general strike”.


22 posted on 07/08/2015 6:02:50 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I agree Eric. In view of those who worship before the Idol of “the Law” in the temple of “the court” There ought to be a law” I mean there is Malpractice laws protecting people from medical malpractice— and attorneys can be disbarred— even citizens can be ignored unless some benevolent judge decides they may have “standing” —WHY NOT a Constitutional Amendment providing for protection against Judicial malpractice.the Court/the Judge who decided against these citizens ought be required to pay double the penalty he /she/ it assessed. half or more to the people injured by the decision—the other portion to go into a special fund for victims of such crimes against the fundamental rights of citizens.


23 posted on 07/08/2015 6:04:35 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Flintlock
Easy to implement, though it will have consequences:

Just refuse to comply. Move your finances where they can't get them. Buy bolt cutters to cut the padlocks off the door every time they put one on.

24 posted on 07/08/2015 6:05:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind
The only solution as I see it is for devout Christians to show UNITY. STAND AND FIGHT.

How many denominations oppose this? There is no unity among the various denominations.

25 posted on 07/08/2015 6:06:14 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: SeekAndFind
The only solution as I see it is for devout Christians to show UNITY. STAND AND FIGHT.

Exactly.

But where is this unity? There is no equivalent of a NAACP or CAIR at all.

Good point. We have a lot of organizations. Here might be a good start to look at some that will fight. The Southern Poverty Law Center has named these 18 groups as "Anti-Gay". 18 Anti-Gay Groups and Their Propaganda They include groups like American Family Association, Concerned Women for America, Family Research Council, Liberty Counsel, etc.
26 posted on 07/08/2015 6:14:58 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: SpeakerToAnimals
There is no unity among the various denominations.

True.

There is primarily only doctrinal bickering between denominations: "We interpret correctly and you others don't, so we won't have anything to do with you losers."

27 posted on 07/08/2015 6:24:47 AM PDT by polymuser ( Enough is enough)
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To: SeekAndFind
And now with the whole thing federalized by 5 justices and an unsympathetic White House, I don’t think there’s anywhere else to move to....

How about Kenya?

28 posted on 07/08/2015 6:30:32 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: SeekAndFind

The solution is to revoke government’s power to define and regulate marriage.

Government regulation of marriage has been taken over by the Pink Swastika crowd. Bake the cake or they will send government to destroy

your family business. They will grind you into the dust as far as they can like they did to the former CEO of Mozilla, Brendan Eich.

This is homo-fascism in action.

If we have a separation of church and state, in order to protect godly marriage, we must separate marriage and state. It is time to get

government out of the business of defining and regulating marriage.

When marriage is a private matter once again, the Pink Swastika crowd cannot force anyone to bake a cake they don’t want to.

#LoveWins => #BakeTheCake => #PinkSwastika => #LoveWins


29 posted on 07/08/2015 6:32:22 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: StonyBurk

And, for the same reason, the “government office holders” in SF should be held accountable for their sanctuary city decision that contributed to a young woman’s murder by a five time border violator.

These people should face criminal charges and certainly a few years of jail time.


30 posted on 07/08/2015 6:33:11 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
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To: SeekAndFind
But where is this unity?

It's called the community of Christians. The church in America. And it needs to wake up and unite.

31 posted on 07/08/2015 6:34:45 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("No social transformation without representation." - Justice Antonin Scalia)
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To: Jim Noble
This is an open-and-shut Federal constitutional case, and, if appealed, I expect them to win easily.

This Supreme Court???

32 posted on 07/08/2015 6:37:49 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: polymuser
There is primarily only doctrinal bickering between denominations: "

It started with Martin Luther and snowballed from there. The churches reflect the division in society.

33 posted on 07/08/2015 6:57:00 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Jim Noble

RE: This is an open-and-shut Federal constitutional case, and, if appealed, I expect them to win easily.

Depends on what side of the bed Justice Kennedy wakes up in the morning.


34 posted on 07/08/2015 7:23:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SpeakerToAnimals
The churches reflect the division in society.

Yes, but they are also (like it or not) very much about human power and control, going back to the pre-Luther RCC. IMHO.

35 posted on 07/08/2015 8:16:02 AM PDT by polymuser ( Enough is enough)
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To: theBuckwheat
When marriage is a private matter once again, the Pink Swastika crowd cannot force anyone to bake a cake they don’t want to.

I don't understand why you believe that. Private business have been sued for not providing services related to homosexual "weddings" in states where homosexual "marriage" is illegal.

If a homosexual "couple" were being "married" in a self-designed ceremony conducted by a friend with some fancy academic robes from a European university, with no license or other state involvement, they could still sue to force a photographer, baker, or venue to serve them. Under present interpretations of non-discrimination and civil-rights regulation, they have a good chance of winning.

36 posted on 07/08/2015 8:47:58 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Be proud you're a Rebel.)
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To: Girlene

I also think that Christians who work for IBM, Microsoft, and any other company that fought Indiana’s religious freedom law should file a class action suit against those companies for 1st amendment violations, thereby creating a hostile anti-Christian work environment, and ipso facto creating conditions for constructive termination; in effect denying them employment for being Christians.

I would also support a massive (millions as per Italy and France) march on Washington (meaning I would go) that persists until Congress votes for articles of impeachment against the 5 justices who voted for same-sex marriage, and until the Senate convicts; and finally until they pass a constitutional amendment against same sex marriage, and maybe abortion, while we’re at it.

Then march on the States until they ratify that amendment.


37 posted on 07/08/2015 10:05:44 AM PDT by wiley
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To: SeekAndFind
This is what an Avakian looks like:


38 posted on 07/08/2015 10:31:23 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: Tax-chick

Marriage, as defined by God is a covenant, and thus totally outside of the realm of human government. You must be aware that government has insinuated itself into the institution of marriage for so many generations that many people automatically assume that a marriage must be conducted by someone with a “license”. License is the means of government regulation.

If we have separation of church and state, we must of necessity also have a separation of everything the State may attempt to control that comes from the church. Marriage is the primary instrument in that regard and that is exactly why secular forces in society cheered so loudly when the government seized full control of the definition of “marriage”.

Where government has power over marriage, no “license” can be issued. Just like the Second Amendment.

In legalizing a form of relationship that God calls an abomination, the secular forces have declared that God no longer has control over that aspect of civil life.

To my knowledge, there has been no litigation involving service providers denying service to anyone on the grounds that they were participating in some type of ceremony. The only denials of service have come about when service providers have declined to become an “enabler” of a marriage. Part of the government’s support for any action against such service providers was on the grounds that a protected civil right was violated. In this case, the right was the right to marry.

When the state does not have the power to marry or regulate marriage, it is no longer a civil right that has protected status. If there would be any grounds for litigation, it would have to be on some other basis. At this time, sexual orientation is not a federally protected civil right, although in some lesser jurisdictions it may be.


39 posted on 07/08/2015 1:56:21 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

Where government has NO power over marriage, no “license” can be issued. Just like the Second Amendment.


40 posted on 07/08/2015 1:57:29 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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