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"...account for the environmental blight caused to the landscape ..." Really? LOL. Why resort to that? Some people say wind turbines are beautiful.

Stick to the facts. Otherwise, you look foolish.

1 posted on 07/07/2015 12:31:16 PM PDT by newgeezer
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To: DungeonMaster

UPW ping!


2 posted on 07/07/2015 12:31:45 PM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson, 1824)
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Yeah, but they’re cool. I have a miniature turbine spinning away on my window sill at work.


3 posted on 07/07/2015 12:37:08 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Win or Lose, Still a "12"!)
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To: newgeezer

When I was in Germany a few weeks ago.

There are wind turbines EVERYWHERE.

And maybe half of them are working at any given time...


4 posted on 07/07/2015 12:38:36 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: newgeezer
I have clean energy!
There's always more taxpayer money to flush and burn...

5 posted on 07/07/2015 12:48:50 PM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: newgeezer
Is that really the best use for acres of land?


6 posted on 07/07/2015 12:50:14 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: newgeezer

If you look at the chart for land-based wind, it comes out cheaper or equal than all but NG and Hydro

Seems pretty good on land if that is accurate


7 posted on 07/07/2015 12:52:52 PM PDT by varyouga
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Wind turbines, privately owned, operated, and maintained on farms or ranches can be practical.


10 posted on 07/07/2015 12:55:41 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF TWO USA CITIZENS)
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To: newgeezer

It’s a US Govt study for crying out loud.

If they are comparing, say a coal plant at 100% vs. a wind plant at 100% they can get these numbers.

But a coal plant can generate 90% of the time, a wind plant perhaps 30% of the time as it is not consistently windy. So the capital cost has to be paid off at a rate 3x higher than the coal plant.

Time is money. It takes three years to generate the equivalent megawatt hours as the coal plant. Factor that into the cost and wind becomes a joke.


12 posted on 07/07/2015 1:03:36 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: newgeezer

The true lifecycle cost of nuclear power is misrepresented on that chart... it’s a money pit of corporate welfare government handouts like you would not imagine.


15 posted on 07/07/2015 1:23:28 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: newgeezer
How many miles per dead bird does that Tesla get?


16 posted on 07/07/2015 1:26:27 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ( A system of g84overnment that makes the People subordinate to a committee of nine unelected lawyer)
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I have often driven by the wind farms that blight the landscapes in the Midwest and seen not a single windmill blade moving. Wind turbine not only are dependent on the wind to blow, but the wind must be in a narrow range of speeds. Too slow and no electricity is generated despite turning blades. Too fast and the windmills must be shut down least they self destruct. During the winter the hydraulic systems governing the windmills must be electrically heated. Windmills can also be shut down by icing of the blades. At theoretical best no more that about 30% of the wind energy can be captured and real averages are in the 20-25% range. For reliable and cost effective electricity production windmills are a joke.


17 posted on 07/07/2015 1:29:15 PM PDT by The Great RJ (“Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money.” Margaret Thatcher)
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It all depends on the goals.

If the goal is to generate electricity, yeah, they’re a big fail.

But, if the goal is to generate liberal self-righteousness, they’re a big success!


22 posted on 07/07/2015 2:14:26 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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environmental blight caused to the landscape

They may be referring to the road network. In waste areas (e.g. Texas) that's probably no big deal, but in the east they generally have to clear forests.

25 posted on 07/07/2015 3:04:33 PM PDT by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet into FlixNet)
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I was pondering how well electricity works. I test huge electric motors most of which grind corn or pump water. A 200 hp electric motor costs $20,000 and will use $200,000 worth of electricity in it's 30 year life easily.

The US consumes 4 quads of electricity in a year. If the PTC were applied to every electric source on the chart it would cost 104 billion dollars in a government subsidy for electricity, something that really works well.

According to Herritage.org the total spending for welfare was almost 10 times that at 949 billion in 2014, and that's paying for people who don't work.

Each form of electrical production has advantages and disadvantages. I think they are all pretty nifty and I've liked wind turbines for 40 years.

34 posted on 07/08/2015 5:12:57 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Of those born of women there is not risen one greater than John The Baptist.)
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