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Confederate flag defender, a black woman, calls battle a fight for FREEDOM
Biz Pac Review ^ | 2 July 2015 | Michael Schaus

Posted on 07/04/2015 9:20:24 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

She’s a former Nation of Islam member turned passionate defender of the Confederate flag — and her views on race, slavery and the South are guaranteed to stir up controversy.

Karen Cooper – a black woman who belongs to a pro-Confederate flag group in Virginia – told a documentary on the rebel flag that she believes it stands for far more than the South’s history of slave ownership, and views it as a symbol of rebellion against an overreaching federal government.

In an interview for the documentary “Battle Flag” she said “I actually think that [the flag] represents freedom… I’m not advocating slavery or think that it was right.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: freedom; history; race; truth
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To: SoFloFreeper
Confederate flag defender, a black woman, calls battle a fight for FREEDOM

I think the stronger phrasing for us to use is that this is a fight AGAINST BANNING. I think many Lefties and most in the Mushy Middle would finally start realizing what's really going on. When both sides say they're "for freedom", the idiots get lost quickly. Differentiate ourselves, and I think we can make more progress.

But again, good for her.

21 posted on 07/04/2015 1:04:04 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: RginTN

So what race were all the Freedmen in the southern states as listed in the 1860 census?


22 posted on 07/04/2015 1:05:56 PM PDT by damper99
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To: RginTN
What an idiot. The Confederate States would not have given her freedom as she would be considered property. Freedom in the Confederacy was for white men to do business and own slaves.

You are the idiot. Not every black in the south was a slave, just as the vast majority of whites were not slaveholders.

Free blacks in Virginia numbered 58,042 on the eve of the American Civil War (1861–1865), or about 44 percent of the future Confederacy's free black population. Of the slave states, only Maryland had a larger population, with 83,942. Free blacks were concentrated in Virginia's cities. According to the 1860 census, the greatest number, 3,244, resided in Petersburg, followed by Richmond with 2,576, Alexandria with 1,415, and Norfolk with 1,046. Free blacks included men and women of African descent who were born free or who gained their freedom before the war through manumission.

23 posted on 07/04/2015 1:19:11 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Teacher317

You’re the idiot. The Confederacy did not give freedom to blacks read the Confederate constitution.


24 posted on 07/04/2015 1:22:35 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: damper99

Read the Confederate constitution. Blacks in the Confederacy were not equal to whites and could not own property.

The Confederacy was freedom for white males especially the wealthy ones.


25 posted on 07/04/2015 1:27:23 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: RginTN
You’re the idiot. The Confederacy did not give freedom to blacks read the Confederate constitution.

You don't have a CLUE do you? Know your history and WTFU.

The Civil WAr was NOT about slavery.

First things first, the 16th president of the United States, Abraham Lincoln; Lincoln was NOT an abolitionist. William Lloyd Garrison, the most prominent of all abolitionists, concluded that Lincoln "had not a drop of anti-slavery blood in his veins." Lincoln was against social and political equality of the races, he opposed inter-racial marriages, supported the Illinois Constitution's prohibition of immigration of blacks into the state, defended a slave owner who was seeking to retrieve his runaway slaves but never defended slaves or runaways themselves, and he was a lifelong advocate of colonization - of sending every last black person in the U.S. to Africa, Haiti, or central America - anywhere but in the United States.

 
In August of 1852 Lincoln said "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it… what I do about slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union." Lincoln also said on September 18th, 1858, "I will say, then, that I am not, nor have I ever been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races." In 1861 Lincoln was asked "why not let the South go in peace?" He replied by saying "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" I have found no proof that Lincoln was a slave owner, but I can tell you without a doubt in my mind that he was not seeking to abolish slavery.

26 posted on 07/04/2015 4:55:12 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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The Civil WAr was NOT about slavery.

According to the people who were there it was.

"Our people have come to this on the question of slavery. I am willing, in that address to rest it upon that question. I think it is the great central point from which we are now proceeding, and I am not willing to divert the public attention from it." - Lawrence Keitt

"The South had always been solid for slavery and when the quarrel about it resulted in a conflict of arms, those who had approved the policy of disunion took the pro-slavery side. It was perfectly logical to fight for slavery, if it was right to own slaves."" - John S. Mosby

"What did we go to war for, if not to protect our [slave] property?" - CSA senator from Virgina, Robert Hunter, 1865

"But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other -- though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution -- African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution." - Alexander Stephens

27 posted on 07/04/2015 6:57:48 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: RginTN
Blacks in the Confederacy were not equal to whites and could not own property.

That was true in most Northern states as well.

28 posted on 07/04/2015 6:58:51 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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According to the people who were there it was.

That type of willing belief allows anyone to put you into this UNIQUE latter category.

There are those who do not know and do not know that they do not know – they are dangerous and should be shunned.
And then there are those who do not know and think they do. They are more dangerous.

29 posted on 07/04/2015 7:41:09 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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Sorry but the topic is not about the Union. Neo-Confederates can not stay on topic when met by the reality of the Confederacy. It was not about Freedom for blacks. This woman is an idiot to support it. the Confederate States Constittution Article 1 Section 9/4 No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed. This woman would have been a slave in the Confederacy with little to no Freedom...maybe to have church...thats about it.
30 posted on 07/04/2015 8:09:36 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: RginTN
This woman would have been a slave in the Confederacy with little to no Freedom..

Give it a rest!

The woman is airing her POV and it sounds like your racist roots are showing.

31 posted on 07/04/2015 8:22:17 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: VideoDoctor

Give it a rest!

The woman is airing her POV and it sounds like your racist roots are showing.


And that is how a Democrat argues their opinion by accusing dissenters of being Racist when they lose the argument.


32 posted on 07/04/2015 8:32:16 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: SoFloFreeper

The rainbow flag has much more potential damage to our country than the rebel battle flag.


33 posted on 07/04/2015 8:47:17 PM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is the CPUSA)
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And that is how a Democrat argues their opinion by accusing dissenters of being Racist when they lose the argument.

I'm a CONSERVATIVE. When somebody sounds racist i assume they ARE either RACIST or naive. Take your pick.

But then, come to think of it, you would KNOW LIBERALS because you sound just like one.

34 posted on 07/04/2015 8:49:25 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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I’m a CONSERVATIVE. When somebody sounds racist i assume they ARE either RACIST or naive. Take your pick.

But then, come to think of it, you would KNOW LIBERALS because you sound just like one.


Its a first to be accused of being a racist for pointing out the pro-slavery section within the Confederate Constitution.

Against slavery=racist...welcome to the Twilight Zone


35 posted on 07/04/2015 9:02:24 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: RginTN

Not all blacks in the south were slaves. That idea is ridiculous. There were even blacks in the south who OWNED slaves, some were more cruel than whites.


36 posted on 07/04/2015 9:25:04 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

I’ve heard this a lot recently. No gives citation like a book to show it truly happened.


37 posted on 07/04/2015 10:26:16 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: RginTN

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Masters-Family-Color-South/dp/0393303144


38 posted on 07/04/2015 10:41:16 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

Thanks. It looks interesting. History is very complex, isn’t it?


39 posted on 07/04/2015 11:34:31 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: RginTN

http://conservative-headlines.com/2012/03/americas-first-slave-owner-was-a-black-man/

It is so complex, that the evidence seems to show that the first slave owner of a negro was a negro! All of the “slaves” prior to that were indentured servants. Kept for a period of time to pay off debts and then released. But this guy sued to keep his servant - and won!


40 posted on 07/04/2015 11:48:49 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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