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Peak Vox: The American Revolution was a mistake, you know
Hot Air.com ^ | July 2, 2015 | ED MORRISEY

Posted on 07/02/2015 4:37:52 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin
History is a series of whatifs. One mistake many people make is assuming if one event i.e. the American Revolution didn't occur at a certain date, it would never have occurred.

The facts are whether the revolution would have succeeded or not in 1776, many of the residents of America wanted independence. It would have happened sooner or later. And as far as the British treating their subjects better than Americans, why don't they ask the Irish and the Scots about that.

There was the Irish potato famine where while hundreds of thousands of Irish were starving to death, they were still exporting beef and other foodstuffs from Ireland to England. And in Scotland they had something called the Highland Clearances after the failure of Bonnie Prince Charlie's rebellion in 1746.

Overall, the British can rightfully lay claim of doing more to civilize the world than any other country in history. The introduction of British law and customs put many previously uncivilized or backwards countries on the road to modernity and a better way of living. But they had their share of mistreatment of other peoples as well as Americans. In short, nobody's perfect.

21 posted on 07/02/2015 6:42:42 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: kaehurowing

George III never came within three thousand miles of America. I wish I could say that about Obama.


22 posted on 07/02/2015 6:44:57 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Kaslin

I won’t waste my time reading that drek, but it occurs to me....

Who’s more tyrannical, Queen Elizabeth, II or Caliph Baraq, I?


23 posted on 07/02/2015 6:51:17 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: Kaslin
His slave crap is all wrong. England had slavery for 800 years, there or about, before ending it. Serfs were slaves.

America, as a nation, had slavery for about 80 years.

Yeah, British rule was better. /s

24 posted on 07/02/2015 7:07:53 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: sasportas

Well, in point of fact, those early settlers of which you speak were Church of England and did not grant the same freedoms to other Christian faiths. Presbyterian, for example.


25 posted on 07/02/2015 7:07:59 PM PDT by LouAvul (Liberalism: much more than just a mental illness)
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To: Kaslin

You guys at Vox can kiss my ass!


26 posted on 07/02/2015 8:58:28 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Kaslin
Scarcely worth the effort except for the amusement of seeing the Left desperately cherry-pick bits of history and ignore the rest. In point of fact, the British were perfectly happy with slavery in North America so long as it supplied their mills with cotton, as well they might be, since they invented the institution in the first place. If by 1840 or so they had managed to secure another supply of cotton by taking over India, that isn't exactly an argument for virtue, only expediency.

It is, in addition, hilarious to see ferocious anti-imperialists and anti-colonialists such as Mr. Matthews suddenly turn coat and embrace both when it suits the narrative, which in this case is painfully obvious: it is the United States which has sinned in those regards and not our tutors across the water. We were, to be sure, entirely supportive of their brutal takeover of Canada from the French, but that was as loyal colonials, not imperialistic rivals.

I'm afraid I must insist that it was in the best interest of everyone involved that the War of Independence turned out as it did. The losers nearly across the board were the Europeans, whose record vis a vis human rights might be considered a touch tarnished in any case. If three quarters of a century later the British were ahead of us in dispensing with chattel slavery in favor of economic slavery, we did, shortly thereafter, redeem the deficiency in blood.

27 posted on 07/02/2015 9:07:13 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Kaslin

How come some posts show symbols like the following?

it’s essays like today’s “3


28 posted on 07/02/2015 10:13:12 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: minnesota_bound

It's 'Merica's fault.

Any more questions? obviously you haven't taken advantage of the open enrollment periods designed for your re-education (and own good). concentrate harder, comrade

29 posted on 07/02/2015 11:12:35 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Yes, we're happy as fish and gorgeous as geese, and wonderfully clean in the morning)
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To: minnesota_bound
The default character set for FR is Latin-1, as listed in the downloaded file. Contains most, if not all of the characters used in the West.

Most browsers will instead render the page as Windows-1252, the default Windows NT code page. Windows-1252 is a subset of the Latin-1 code page: some characters do not exist at all, and other characters are in different places; hence, the weird, out-of-place symbols.

IOW, this one, you can blame on Microsoft.

30 posted on 07/03/2015 12:45:07 AM PDT by __rvx86 (The time for civility among conservatives is long over. We must fight the Left on their level.)
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To: __rvx86

That was a much better answer than one I gave, but I may have had more fun.


31 posted on 07/03/2015 2:13:46 AM PDT by BlueDragon (Yes, we're happy as fish and gorgeous as geese, and wonderfully clean in the morning)
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To: Kaslin

‘Twas a time when Vox occasionally wrote stuff that was well reasoned and coherent - must have bee trying to build some creds for when his real self oozed out - similar to Kathleen Parker and BOR....


32 posted on 07/03/2015 2:53:00 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Kaslin
Kind of reminds me of Mark Twain when he was asked if he was going to attend a lecture by Atheist Robert Ingersoll. Twain said: “I will Not spend two dollars to hear Ingersoll on the Mistakes of Moses; But I would pay Two Hundred dollars to hear Moses on the mistakes of Robert Ingersoll.”
33 posted on 07/03/2015 3:24:33 AM PDT by Cowman (As Jerry Williams used to say --- When comes the revolution....)
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To: minnesota_bound

They show up okay to me


34 posted on 07/03/2015 5:10:42 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
Very timely considering my email this morning included an offer from Hillsdale College for a free on-line course titled American Heritage.

The offer began with a moving video of America the Beautiful sung by the Hillsdale Choir.

I highly recommend Hillsdale courses and I suggest that voluntarily supporting Hillsdale may do more for educating newer Americans than all the politicians, universities, and schools.

By-the-way, I appreciate receiving this Free Republic posting.

35 posted on 07/03/2015 5:45:15 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: sasportas

“Raw Judicial Power” and “Judicial Putsch”: What is Next? by Rev John Rankin

In the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision legalizing human abortion, dissenting justice Byron White called it an exercise in “raw judicial power.”

In today’s U.S. Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage, dissenting justice Antonin Scalia called it a “judicial putsch” (overthrow).

In both cases, these supposed “rights” were invented apart from Constitutional law. This means we are no longer a nation of laws, but of a nation where the human wills of certain elitists are imposed on the rest of us.

Does it matter? From antiquity we have the biblical understanding of human freedom under the rule of law, and governed by King Yahweh. In Mesopotamian and Egyptian culture, we have kings who call themselves gods, and impose slavery on the non-elites of society. The “state” is god.

In the biblical profile of Sodom and Gomorrah, social and sexual anarchy lead to the state becoming god, no dissent is permitted, and the poor and needy get trampled.

In the Roman Empire, Caesar was eventually lifted to the status of a god, where Tiberius was the “son of the divine Augustus.” The self-proclaimed son of god. So when the true Son of God appears, the greatest contest of the ages comes to pass. Thus, for early Christians to call Jesus Lord was to oppose Caesar as lord, and thus the persecutions began.

We are now a nation that has forsaken its heritage of unalienable rights given by the Creator, and replaced it with the state as god.

The trajectory now in the United States is to remove the religious liberty of all people who dissent from the state as god, including those of us who say no to human abortion, say no to same-sex marriage, and say no to state enforced healthcare that cheapens real care and costs us much more.

And just like Nazi Germany where the church was squeezed into compliance — save a few brave souls who resisted like Dietrich Bonhoeffer — the next assault will especially be against pastors, churches and Christians who do not yield to the state as god. Support homosexuality, ordain homosexual clergy and perform same-sex marriages or lose your tax exemption ...


36 posted on 07/03/2015 8:35:07 AM PDT by Daffynition ("We Are Not Descended From Fearful Men")
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To: Billthedrill
In point of fact, the British were perfectly happy with slavery in North America so long as it supplied their mills with cotton, as well they might be, since they invented the institution in the first place.

So, the British were around in Old Testament times? Really? The British are the reason the Slavic peoples got that title? The British sold Abraham his servants?

Nice try. The ONE thing the article got right was that the Brits were among the first peoples to abolish slavery. The rest was utter dreck, but your hyperbole and inaccuracies only encourage the barking moonbats in their insistence that we on the right are ill-informed.

37 posted on 07/03/2015 11:00:40 AM PDT by Don W ( When blacks riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: skeeter
Its defies common sense to assume their motives were altruistic.
William Wilberforce

Black Rednecks and White Liberals - Thomas Sowell

Epistle to Philemon

Slavery and the Civil War.


38 posted on 07/03/2015 11:00:47 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: __rvx86

#30 You mean I gotta take Latin to understand some posts? : )


39 posted on 07/03/2015 11:27:14 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Kaslin
Stay tuned for tomorrow's article which I'm sure will be another lesson in the logic of creatively reimagining the past: If the evil republicans hadn't started the Civil War, the democrats would have ended slavery sooner
40 posted on 07/03/2015 1:19:42 PM PDT by PressurePoint
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