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10/20/2014: Idaho city’s ordinance tells pastors to marry gays or go to jail
The Washington Times ^ | October 20, 2014 | Cheryl K. Chumley

Posted on 06/29/2015 1:11:25 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Coeur d‘Alene, Idaho, city officials have laid down the law to Christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.

The dictate comes on the heels of a legal battle with Donald and Evelyn Knapp, ordained ministers who own the Hitching Post wedding chapel in the city, but who oppose gay marriage, The Daily Caller reported.

A federal judge recently ruled that the state’s ban on gay marriage was unconstitutional, while the city of Coeur d‘Alene has an ordinance that prevents discrimination based on sexual preference.

The Supreme Court’s recent refusal to take on gay rights’ appeals from five states has opened the doors for same-sex marriages to go forth.

The Knapps were just asked by a gay couple to perform their wedding ceremony, The Daily Caller reported.

“On Friday, a same-sex couple asked to be married by the Knapps, and the Knapps politely declined,” The Daily Signal reported. “The Knapps now face a 180-day jail term and a $1,000 fine for each day they decline to celebrate the same-sex wedding.”(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: ac; fascism; gaymarriage; gays; homosexualagenda; idaho; persecution; ssm
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1 posted on 06/29/2015 1:11:25 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You start to wonder if the entire SSM movement wasn’t about “love” or “equality” but rather about creating a space in which to destroy political enemies.


2 posted on 06/29/2015 1:22:44 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("World History is not full of good governments, or of good voters either "--P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So much for freedom of religion.


3 posted on 06/29/2015 1:23:56 AM PDT by teacherwoes (Alethephobia-fear of hearing the truth)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Time to test the LAW...


4 posted on 06/29/2015 1:28:18 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

knew this was coming didn’t know it would happen so quickly!

Now what will the Libertarians say to this heterosexual couple who are being impacted by gays wanting to marry...

Obama will do nothing and say nothing.

The GOP will say nothing.

Christians are on our own now


5 posted on 06/29/2015 1:28:57 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as "bad luck.” ― Robert A. Heinlein
6 posted on 06/29/2015 1:31:10 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

test it on a muslim business and watch the court bend over backwards to defend religious freedom for muslims, but not christians


7 posted on 06/29/2015 1:43:31 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: hosepipe

Paul plus other Apostles went to jail. I would go to jail rather then defy the Lord.


8 posted on 06/29/2015 1:46:57 AM PDT by Lumper20 ( clown in Chief has own Gov employees Gestapo)
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To: denydenydeny

All Fascist movements were founded by homosexuals-—like the Bolsheviks, Nazis. (Hair, Lively).

Sodomy is demonic and about domination and lust-—it is never about “love”. Those who engage in the acts have a complete lack of Reason and Morality.

jThey are trying to force the Muslim ethics on children (and the Hollywood boy raper ethics of the producers who were raping the two Corey’s-—one committed suicide.

Tyranny is the result of a people without morality This is only about destroying Christian Ethics because it is what created the Age of Reason and the US Constitution....and the Constitution which gives Individual Natural Rights from God can not exist in the little boys for the NWO of Totalitarianism. For the Collective-—they need the ignorant useful idiots —the majority to force their ideas and religion of Satanism on our children-—we CAN”T have Individual Natural Rights and freedom of Thought and Religion-—they have to make our little boys LOVE sodomy——for those Hollywood elites and the Franklin Cover-up types in the White House.


9 posted on 06/29/2015 1:56:16 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fortunately this particular story, which occurred last year (see the date) had a positive ending, as the city realized their law did not indicate for-profit vs not-for-profit enterprises. “Hitching Post” is for-profit.

But... there will be challenges coming.. no doubt.


10 posted on 06/29/2015 2:03:17 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Pray. It's the last arrow in the quiver.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Seems to me that the City of Coeur d’Alene is trying to establish a religious practice where none existed before.

This might not hold water under the establishment clause of the U.S. Constitution. I’m surprised it hasn’t been challenged.


11 posted on 06/29/2015 2:14:59 AM PDT by plangent
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To: RginTN

A true libertarian will say govt should not be in the business of marriage... It’s a religious thing. Get govt out of marriage license business.


12 posted on 06/29/2015 2:16:08 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: ScottinVA

These battles should be fought on freedom of speech, no freedom of religion grounds.


13 posted on 06/29/2015 2:17:26 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: hosepipe

CW II could on th way. Over fag marriage? Gotta be kidding.


14 posted on 06/29/2015 2:18:03 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Refuse to pay any fine, go to jail. Then go on a hunger strike. Take a page from Gandhi. They will cave. Make sure there is lots of reporting on the hunger strike, but no violence.


15 posted on 06/29/2015 2:56:58 AM PDT by 20yearvet (they yell for more tests as long as its your money)
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LETS HOPE THE KNAPPS DON’T CAVE IN
There should be no doubt left in anyones mind that this drive led by the democrat in name only party and supported by GOPES (Government Over the People Elite Statists,some call RINOS) is a declared war on religious [particularly Christian) beliefs.

Enough of these perversions promoted by the left. Just because anyone can claim a gender preference. Unless their body parts change with it. As with discharges of eggs from a male body part, and sperm from a female body part, that validates such a claim . Otherwise that assertion should be dismissed as a mental disorder. and treated as such .

The same applies to this perverted idealization of marriage which destroys the concept of family . If Our Creator wanted mankind to procreate like animals wouldn’t God have willed the act be performed using the same method instead of intimacy facing each other ?

WHY I HAVE AN ILLUMINATED CROSS AS A PROTEST

Why are those so called democrats which belong to a democrat in name only ever being called out on their core beliefs ? Nooo that wouldn’t be bi-partisan ! Ask any of those so called GOPES (Government Over the People Elite Statists) campaign advisors about depressing the “democrat” vote and you get a lecture.Democrat core beliefs showed up with booing the mention of God in 2012 which made it official.

They’ve declared a war on religion particularly Christianity.Which I for one now have an illumiuated crucifix at night in my front yard facing the street (Highway) as a statement. And encourage others do as well

A DEMOCRAT apparently doesn’t believe there’s such a thing as the Ten Commandments or sin because everything that leaves their mouths is a lie.

But I have yet to hear a Republican candidate even suggest even in jest mention why “democrat” lying is part of their core belief ? Never mind the use of their positions promoting crony capitalism campaign contributers financing alternate energy plans spending billions which went belly up at our expense while leaving our infastructure was falling apart......

Why ? Because it isn’t being bi-partisan or lets not forget the other trap politically correct. Which they democrats and GOPES are turning into demand observance ie laws.


16 posted on 06/29/2015 3:12:13 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Some of my best rebuttals are in FR's along with meaningless venting no one reads.)
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I have been saying for months that at this point Christians should refuse to get officially married in the eyes of the State.

Pastors should pay Social Security as a private contractor and renounce their state ordination papers. Churches should not do ANY weddings for ANYBODY on the premises. Then when the Homosexuals ask the Church can truthfully say “We do not perform marriages and are not licensed to do so.” Let the wedding Chapels in Las Vegas take up the slack for homosexuals that want a church wedding.

Christian couples should rent a Hotel Ballroom or other such venue if a private house is not available and have a religious service but should NOT register with the State or get a marriage license from the State. This would return marriage to place it was in about 1800 or so and completely short circuits the Homo agenda to force churches to accept their reprobate lifestyle.

Let the States do legal marriages however the State wants. Christians should defy the law and live together in a state of matrimony in the eyes of God but not in the eyes of the State.


17 posted on 06/29/2015 3:14:04 AM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: denydenydeny

They claimed it is about love, now we see it is about hate.


18 posted on 06/29/2015 3:14:18 AM PDT by dila813
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And so it begins. I see two outcomes: A) 1.4% of the population will browbeat the 98.6% until there is not a single person who dares dissent; or B) “it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another”.

I hope for B); but fully expect A).


19 posted on 06/29/2015 3:28:54 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: teacherwoes

Yep, they’re not even pretending anymore. The state is their fascist god.


20 posted on 06/29/2015 4:20:35 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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