The Cross and the Confederate Flag

Moore to the Point ^ | June 19, 2015 | Russell Moore

[no-to-illegals]

are you certain? or have you been lied too?

[StoneWall Brigade]

Do you think the Confederate Flag should come off soldiers memorial in Columbia South Carolina?

[Republican Wildcat]

The Confederate battle flag was not widely displayed in the South until school desegregation became an issue in the 1950's and it became the flag of the segregationists.

Really? Did not know that.

[rockrr]

There are pictures....

[rockrr]

No.

[rovenstinez]

It strikes me with chagrin, as I have read extensively the AUTO BIOGRAPHY of Frederick Douglas. He as well as Booker T. Washington, or George Washington Carver, never imposed guilt, to make the WHITE RACE responsible, for the serious injustices wraught by a few. Obviously, there was MUCH wrong done, but as a WHITE person, by color, who once stood in the mirror wishing I could be BLACK, think I´d be GLAD that my ancestors were brought to the shores of America, rather than have to grow up on the Dark Contient. And that isn´t meant to be racist. I´ve been to Africa, and see that HUMAN NATURE is the same the whole Earth over, and people who don´t understand their CREATOR, and for what purpose they have been CREATED will either by villains, or slaves.

[Ohioan]

Your post does not compute with the actual moral climate of the very Christian leadership of the Confederate men at arms--nor with the fact that over the generations, South Carolina has provided a moral climate, where there was markedly less criminal victimization of her Black communities than in any other State.

The stoned killer in Charleston represented nothing traditional in the South; nothing cohesive or rational. Look into the eyes of any of the pictures posted on the Web, today. He looks like a B movie image of a possessed child. Why would anyone want to disparage their own heritage over the actions of such an obsession driven mental case? Do you really want to insult the Christian witness of relatives of the victims--something truly moving--by suggesting by implication, that this crazed miscreant actually represented any of the cultured people of South Carolina?

[no-to-illegals]

take up too much bandwidth .... so I’ll be quiet ... (smile)

[no-to-illegals]

villains, or slaves

obama's or moslems?

[Vaduz]

Yep and SUV’s kill people in the middle of the night when your asleep.

[Republican Wildcat]

I am not the author of the piece - it is, however, going viral - and the points raised need to be discussed. There is also nothing in here where he is arguing the killer represents the people of South Carolina (who, after all, just elected a black U.S. Senator in massive landslide), so I’m not sure what it is you are getting at with your comments.

[lentulusgracchus]

See James McPherson's book, Why They Fought. He was or is a professor at Princeton, hardly a bastion of slavery.

As a "Red-diaper baby" (Communist seed) who hangs with the Communists at Pacifica Radio and other notorious nesting grounds, McPherson is hardly a bastion of anything, except maybe orthodox Marxism-Leninism. He was Clinton's heyboy historian for quick quotes supporting Clinton's social policies and politics, and he and fellow Marxist historian Eric Foner (of Columbia University, the original "little Red schoolhouse") rewrote the guidance and docenting materials for visitors to the national Military Parks like Gettysburg, to inculpate and blacken the Confederate side and their cause, because that was part of Clinton politics, which relied heavily on "booger-man" demonization of the white South and its heroes.

As you say, McPherson is hardly a champion of the old Lost Cause, but even he gets flanked by this new breed of demonizers and segregators, whose battle cry sounds a lot to me like "Crackers to the back of the bus!" And I'm from Indiana, myself.

[no-to-illegals]

Heard it calling ... There is a way to ‘judge the heart’ ...

[rusty schucklefurd]

I am a great lover of American history and a Civil War buff. I am humbled by the patriotism and courage of the soldiers on both sides of the conflict during America’s “Second War of Independence”. Yet, I do believe that Bro. Moore has made a valid argument to a certain extent.

The most compelling point he made, at least to my thinking, was the passage from the Apostle Paul who said we should not use our Christian freedom to hurt or destroy the faith of others.

Rightly or wrongly, fairly or unfairly, logically or illogically, the Confederate Battle Flag has come to represent slavery and racism. Personally, I don’t see that flag that way, but I do understand why others may. And so, why should I, as a Christian, do something that hurts the spirit of some of my brothers or sisters in Christ?

However, having said all that, I believe it is none of my business what is on South Carolina’s flag or Mississippi’s flag - that is up to the people of those individual states. If they want to take it off or leave it - that’s up to them.

Also, I know that the United States flag is offensive to some - especially on college campus’s across the country. The Cross of Christ is also offensive to some, yet I would never deny it.

Again, I think it comes down to what the people of that state want to do.

[rockrr]

Good post Rusty - sums it up nicely.

[no-to-illegals]

messaging is not much more ... than a ‘profound affect’ of ‘you’ve never been!’ Today the past is ‘good-bye’?

[rockrr]

I’m not sure that I catch your drift.

[no-to-illegals]

there is a way ... don’t doubt the ‘heart’

[iowamark]

As the picture in the thread above shows, even the early 20th century KKK used the US flag, not any Confederate flag.

For example, the Confederate battle flag was only incorporated into the Georgia state flag in 1956, following Brown v. Board of Education.

[stainlessbanner]

And no mention of St. Andrew's Cross?

This man is unqualified to speak on our behalf. Just another voice jumping on the MSM bandwagon, stoking the coals of racial division.