Posted on 06/19/2015 9:39:51 AM PDT by Beowulf9
The other dynamic in this is that approximately 40% of Mexico’s GDP is derived from the money illegals send back home every month from the US. Cut that off and Mexico collapses completely. If you really wanted to punish Mexico all you have to do is shut down the Western Union telegraph service from the US to Mexico.
Take care. No problem...
I agree with all that but how do you get there?
If you allow Republicans to say “We aren’t going to deport 11 million people” without pushback we’ll never get there.
We have to scare the hell out of these people.
The fear factor may be useful politically....interesting thought. My problem with it is that our candidates so often get to bickering about what we’re gonna do AFTER we secure the border and AFTER we do this and that....and really all of that is academic UNTIL we secure the border.
To me, it’s kind of useless to get caught up in hypotheticals that may or may not present themselves down the road. If we don’t get the first part right, the rest is totally academic.
I think the money to Mexico is drying up anyway, as the quality of those coming across the border is slipping. This was not nearly the size problem it is now when most were coming to work.
Now most are coming to suck at the teat. That plagues the entire economy and drags everybody down.
I don’t care about punishing Mexico, but I would like to help save America. If our government would do its job, it wouldn’t matter a dadgummed bit what Mexico did or did not do.
I’m in the metro Atlanta area. They are lined up 5 deep at the Customer Service Counter in Kroger and PUblix with giant wads of cash that they are sending home. I always love the way nobody questions the illegals as to where they got all the cash but you can’t cash a $4,000 check from your own acct without scrutiny if you are an American.
Personally I’m not out to hurt Mexico either but its way past time for Mexico to develop their country and get rid of the corruption from top to bottom and take care of their own. Let Mexico compete on a level playing field for a change. Right now I’m only concerned about bringing America back. 92 million people here need a job.
Interesting anecdote about the cash being sent home. I never see that, but I take your word for it. I do believe the Hispanic population is becoming more ghettoized in some respects and some have no interest in sending money home....
As for Mexico, there’s nothing we can do to make them get their stuff together. We don’t vote in their elections, and we cannot do anything but deal with it in the best interests of our nation.
As for 92 million needing a job? No, not close. That’s how many people are not employed, but probably 85 million of those are retired or not in need of a job. But yeah, we need another 5-6-7 million jobs for sure, but I don’t think picking vegetables, making hotel beds and mowing the lawn is what those 5-6-7 million are looking for. Just sayin...it’s a damned complicated and difficult problem.
Per Drudge today Atlanta has the second largest growing immigrant population in the country. Imagine my joy. That’s why we are getting ready to move to the mountains where there is zero diversity.
Forget crops the illegals have destroyed the construction industry and the chicken plant jobs and other plants in the area. They work for 5 cents. Its a terrible problem.
In NC there is a large population.....legal and illegal. They don’t work that cheap up here. And it’s almost impossible to tell the legals from the illegals. I suspect eventually e verify or something like that will solve that, but I find it interesting that people are hot to trot for e verify for employment but no one ever mentions it for government handouts.
Just seems like a bit of bass ackwards emphasis to me.
Believe it or not GA has the second strictest immigration law in the US after AZ. When it passed a couple of years ago we got rid of the worst of the worst and I think most of them went up to NC where the libs in Asheville were handing out freebies.
The Black Mayor of the City of Atlanta Kasim Reid has designated Atlanta as a “welcoming city” so in other words they will take any immigrants the govt wants to send. Likely some of those Syrians and who knows who else. At some point its going to turn into a terrible problem and the solution will be brutal.
Oh I’ve been in the ATL airport about 6 times in the last month, and yeah, I hear ole Kasim and his welcome messages played ad nauseum over the intercom.
And I do believe that Georgia has strict laws...and I know that the Bohemians in Asheville are typical far left bleeding heart liberals for sure. But in the Raleigh, Charlotte, Winston Salem areas, and in Atlanta too, the majority of the Hispanics...legal and illegal, work for those national landscape firms and those national home building trac builders and so on. Just so you don’t get too angry about that, those folks are not low paid and they do have taxes withheld.
Like I said, there’s no difference in the paperwork of the legals and illegals.
Those that do casual day labor, of course, do not. But in my experience, and I have some business interests in ATL, this is a small part of the equation.
regarding the with holding........
last month I contracted with an old family firm to re roof my house. I dealt with two of the brothers during pricing and sale. I had contracted with them before, good reputation etc
One day, the roofing materials distributor delivered the shingles and all the other materials to my driveway.
three days later, just before noon several trucks an ten or so Mexicans arrived. One spoke excellent english and talked with me and directed the crew telling them what to do. There was another foreman type that looked after the work in progress and kept everybody working. They really worked hard and fast. They were very skilled.
it turned out that one of the 10 was actually white. he drove a dump truck into which all the refuse shingles etc was loaded. he actually was employed by the family business I contracted with.
all the others and their trucks with tags from several other counties and even states, were employees of what amounts a roofing labor subcontractor. I have no reason to believe that at least 4 of the crew that were essentially laborers got minimum wage or had any with holding. Lots of shenanigans can take place within such a subcontract for what is probably a non licensed business
Since there are no Americans that will do the hot and dirty work, this old line firm has changed the business model. they have a vendor deliver materials and sub out the labor. they essentially become a roofing construction manager...... sweet business
I don’t want to burst your bubble but for awhile the Gwinnett County cops would just pull up in front of a construction site and everybody would take off running. So one of the biggest problems we had when we were trying to get the GA immigration law passed was the big homebuilders and the farmers. They had so many illegals working for them. And still do. The roofing and drywall here and any stonework is pretty much illegals. You get one legal that runs a crew of illegals.
We have that living in the rental next door. One legal and his wife renting the house and then he has his crew of illegals living in the basement. They sneak in and out in the dark like roaches. I couldn’t pick one of them out of a line up. The ones next to us are from El Salvador. They make the Mexicans look almost desirable.
You’re not bursting my bubble. I’ve been a contractor for over 23 years, dealing with thousands and thousands of applicants and workers in the unskilled and semi skilled labor market. Yes, THOUSANDS. Were some illegals? I guess, but I didn’t know who they were. No way to tell. I even had a third party company handle the payroll issues as another layer.
In NC, SC, Virginia and Georgia, though mostly NC.
I think I know the lay of the land.
Very interesting post.....and I totally changed my business model for any number of reasons, including Obama Care, immigration issues, unemployment insurance costs, workers comp costs, and other regulations - to a purely contracted out model.
Like your family roofing firm, I was sickened by what had happened to the labor market over the past 2-3 decades. I didn’t cause it. Your roofing firm didn’t cause it, but we had to try and survive.
Now I’m mostly out of that business.
Mr. GG2 has had a general contractor’s license for 30 years and he still does some stuff partime but none of the American guys can competed with the illegals. Most people have just given up. Its totally different in NC. Here mostly they are illegal in the construction trades.
Lot of techies around Raleigh Durham....very little interest in labor jobs of any kind by black or white Americans. I guess they’re all in tech or on the government dole....in some 20 years, less than 5% of all applicants to my business were non Hispanic.....and we paid near the top of our industry, had cool uniforms for the crews, and we had tremendous retention.
If they don’t have to return to their home country from whence they invaded ours, it’s amnesty.
As far as I can tell, none of the prospective candidates from either wing of the Uniparty wants to deport illegal invaders. One way or another, they’re going to let them stay.
If you don’t give them stuff they will leave.
Some will. Others need the bum’s rush.
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