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VETS TOLD THEY CAN 'BUY BACK' 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS
WND ^ | June 5 2015 | BOB UNRUH

Posted on 06/16/2015 2:26:03 PM PDT by Whenifhow

A legal team investigating the Obama administration’s order that certain American military veterans deemed “incompetent” give up their weapons says the problem is worse than expected.

People who live with veterans now are being ordered not to possess a gun, and some veterans are told they can “buy back” their Second Amendment rights by giving up their veterans’ benefits.

“This is simply unbelievable, On the one hand the [Veterans Administration] and the FBI have found veterans to be mentally ill and too dangerous to be allowed to own firearms, while on the other hand allowing these allegedly dangerous people to buy their firearms rights back,” wrote Michael Connelly, executive director of the United States Justice Foundation in a report.

“This is illegal and is called extortion.”

The organization has been looking into claims by a number of veterans and their family members.

The veterans were sent a letter telling them they were being classified as incompetent and the government was assigning someone to help them handle their benefits and payments.

Consequently, they were told, they could no longer own weapons, under penalty of fines and jail time.

The problem was that the veterans were being determined guilty without a hearing regarding the potential loss of their constitutional rights, USJF said at the time.

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“But [they] are being told that if they do defy the government and appeal, their benefit payments can be suspended for the duration of the appeal, which can drag on for years,” the report said.

“The families of veterans are also [being] told that since they live with a veteran who has been declared incompetent they can’t own or purchase firearms.”

Or there’s that option to give up benefits, the report said.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; extortion; guncontrol; guns; mentalhealth; military; secondamendment; tyranny; veteran; veterans
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And it’s expanding. Seniors on Medicare, some dental patients and even children seeing pediatricians have been questioned about firearm ownership.

Medical records are being passed from the Department of Health and Human Services to the FBI “of anyone who has ever told their physician they were feeling depressed, even if never treated, and anyone who has taken certain drugs for things like PTSD, ADD, or ADHD, among others.”

1 posted on 06/16/2015 2:26:03 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Jet Jaguar; LucyT

More:

Also unanswered was who makes the decision to put in motion the department’s decision to “deem” veterans “mentally incapable.”

Connelly noted the letter “provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA.”

“In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent,” he explained.

“This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall ‘be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.”

Read the letter that got the investigation started:

http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/02/VAOne.jpg

http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/02/VATwo.jpg

http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/02/VAThree.jpg


2 posted on 06/16/2015 2:31:26 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

I don’t believe this.


4 posted on 06/16/2015 2:38:55 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: Whenifhow
Once you can legislate a God Givenright away, "for common sense" you can take it away from all.

See the 1968 GSA, which many here support btw.

5 posted on 06/16/2015 2:41:03 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Whenifhow

Incompetent? Is that on the 4473 form?


6 posted on 06/16/2015 2:41:27 PM PDT by umgud (When under attack, victims want 2 things; God & a gun)
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To: Steely Tom
I don’t believe this.

Hell, I would believe anything at this point. NOTHING surprises me anymore.

7 posted on 06/16/2015 2:44:08 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Even if you did this, it wouldn’t stop them from reclassifying you again afterwards.


8 posted on 06/16/2015 2:44:36 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: umgud

Don’t know about forms. I had read they were going to try this as a gun control measure.


9 posted on 06/16/2015 2:45:36 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

Sorry, you can’t be “declared incompetent” except by a judge, in a court of law, in very specific circumstances. Some a-hole bureaucrat at the Dept of Veteran Affairs does not have that authority. I’d throw it in the circular file.


10 posted on 06/16/2015 2:46:52 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Whenifhow
Defend this nation in the U.S. Military and lose your Constitutional rights and Veteran’s benefits!! In the future, what patriot would join the U.S. Military?
11 posted on 06/16/2015 2:49:33 PM PDT by RAY (God Bless the USA!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
See the 1968 GSA, which many here support btw.

I don't. I don't need a permit to buy a book (1st Amendment) so I should not need a permit or anything else to buy a firearm. There is nothing in the 2nd Amendment that says the government gets to approve whether or not I can exercise that right.

12 posted on 06/16/2015 2:51:30 PM PDT by MeganC (You can ignore reality, but reality won't ignore you.)
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To: RAY

Defend this nation in the U.S. Military and lose your Constitutional rights and Veteran’s benefits!! In the future, what patriot would join the U.S. Military?

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They will expand this to other populations that receive “benefits” such as social security and disability.


13 posted on 06/16/2015 2:51:46 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

Makes my blood boil, but this isn’t the only right being stomped on.


14 posted on 06/16/2015 2:58:16 PM PDT by umgud (When under attack, victims want 2 things; God & a gun)
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To: RAY
I'll say it: I wasted twenty years of my life if this is how the (not “my”) government is treating the people that would have and did defend this country from the scum that wants to rule everyone. But then we allowed a bunch of over educated morons to elect this corrupt, soulless, commie as the president. Democrat, perfect example of way stupid people shouldn't vote!
15 posted on 06/16/2015 2:59:55 PM PDT by Duckdog (If it wasn't for NASCAR my TV would have gone out the window years ago!)
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To: Whenifhow

Buy back a RIGHT???

It’s paid for in blood, and promised as an inalienable right from God himself through The Constitution and that pesky Bill of Rights!


16 posted on 06/16/2015 3:02:17 PM PDT by null and void (I wish we lived in less interesting times, but at least we have front-row seats.)
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To: Steely Tom

I don’t want to believe this, but it’s a brave new world.

Read the 2nd page of the letter...

It looks legit.


17 posted on 06/16/2015 3:03:10 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian; unixfox
It looks legit.

And not a single Republican Senate or House committee chairman can get interested in holding hearings into it?

18 posted on 06/16/2015 3:06:50 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: Whenifhow
They will expand this to other populations that receive “benefits” such as social security and disability.

Precisely. It's the Cass Sunstein 'nudge - shove - squeeze - shoot' paradigm.

19 posted on 06/16/2015 3:08:51 PM PDT by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: Jonty30
Even if you did this, it wouldn’t stop them from reclassifying you again afterwards.

Not the point, the BOR are "Declatory and Restrictive".

Read the preamble.

God Given Rights cannot be legislated away....other wise they really are not rights, are they?

20 posted on 06/16/2015 3:09:04 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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