Posted on 06/13/2015 4:07:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
How can you take a position pro or con on something that doesn’t exist in final form?
Ted Cruz has said that while he voted for TPA, he has not taken a stance on TPP since it is still being negotiated.
Article II Section II of the Constitution gives the Executive the power to negotiate treaties and agreements. It is still being negotiated.
Why the secrecy about TPP and not making it available to the public?
If you play poker, would you want to tip your hand to your opponent in the midst of a game? If you have bought or sold a house, would you let the party you are buying or selling the home from know what your “settle for” price point is if it differs from your proposed price is?
I don’t support giving the Communist in the White House a fast track to the out house, let alone trade treaties
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How do you know what TPP will do if TPP is still under negotiation?
No law can be changed through a trade agreement unless made by Congress. A foreign government or foreign body cannot make, change or amend US law. Only the US Congress can do that.
Moreover, the publicly available TPA bill states that no trade agreement can alter US law.
With TPA, you like everyone else will have 60 days to review the proposed trade agreement before Congress can take any action on it.
It is foolish to suggest you know the content of TPP or any other proposed agreement without having to actually review it yourself (during that 60 day window granted by TPA)
Sen. Jeff Sessions blasts Obamatrade
http://obamatrade.com/sen-jeff-sessions-blasts-obamatrade/
Mark Levin Opposes Fast Track – and Congress should, too!
http://obamatrade.com/mark-levin-opposes-fast-track-and-congress-should-too/
Eagle Forum: No Fast Track for Obamatrade
http://obamatrade.com/eagle-forum-no-fast-track-for-obamatrade/
TheTeaParty.net: No Fast Track for Obamatrade
http://obamatrade.com/theteaparty-net-no-fast-track-for-obamatrade/
American Family Association: No Fast Track for Obamatrade
http://obamatrade.com/american-family-association-no-fast-track-for-obamatrade/
Obamatrade: A gift for Sharia regimes
http://obamatrade.com/obamatrade-a-gift-for-sharia-regimes/
Alan Keyes blasts Obamatrade and those who love it
http://obamatrade.com/alan-keyes-blasts-obamatrade-and-those-who-love-it/
Allen West: Obamatrade is a disaster
http://obamatrade.com/allen-west-obamatrade-is-a-disaster/
Center for Security Policy: No Fast Track for Obamatrade
http://obamatrade.com/center-for-security-policy-no-fast-track-for-obamatrade/
Americans for Limited Government: No Fast Track for Obamatrade
http://obamatrade.com/americans-for-limited-government-no-fast-track-for-obamatrade-2/
More Power for Obama !?!?
http://obamatrade.com/more-power-for-obama/
Lou Dobbs & Ed Rollins blast Obamatrade
http://obamatrade.com/lou-dobbs-blasts-obamatrade/
Sen. Jeff Sessions slams “trade” deals promoting immigration
http://obamatrade.com/sen-jeff-sessions-slams-trade-deals-promoting-immigration/
Obamatrade = Unrestricted Immigration
http://obamatrade.com/obamatrade-unlimited-immigration/
Obamatrade weakens rule of law, encourages outsourcing: CATO
http://obamatrade.com/obamatrade-weakens-rule-of-law-encourages-outsourcing-cato/
Obamatrade destroys national sovereignty – as planned
http://obamatrade.com/obamatrade-destroys-national-sovereignty-as-planned/
The very fact that it is under secrecy to our representatives tells me all I need to know. This is Obamacare redux in re trade.
Why are you so willing to TRUST the overlords?
I don’t trust Obama, Democrats, or Republican leadership.
But Obama doesn’t get final approval on trade agreements through TPA. That puts tremendous pressure on Obama’s negotiators to propose an agreement that can be accepted in Congress.
Aside from that, (1) Obama has roughly 18 months left in office, (2) TPP negotiations started in 2009 and is no where near being concluded.
The question, I guess, comes down to whether or not you will ever be in favor of international trade as Ronald Reagan and Milton Freidman were.
“Don’t waste your time. Others at FR and in other places are far more rational. I’m finished dealing with the dead enders. I just won’t respond to them any more.”
Catherine, Cripple is right about this. Some of these Freepers complaining about Cruz just joined days/few months ago so they are likely plants as we get those when candidates/elections come around. Those will eventually get the zot as they are for no conservative candidate - they are here to make trouble.
Some others complaining about Cruz are mostly complainers about most everything and everybody - it makes them feel lofty and clever - they wouldn’t believe or support Cruz if he was Jesus Christ.
Cruz has proven himself over and over to be a constitutional conservative in his adult life; as Solicitor General for Texas he won case after case in the Supreme Court to protect states’ rights and freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
Cruz will do what he thinks is right for this country and that will be evident in the debates. It will be the grassroots across this country who will elect Cruz and not the complainers here. I had a conversation with another Freeper and neither of us would ask anyone to come to FR and read or join now as the climate here is too caustic. Perhaps that will change as the debates begin to happen.
Texas has moved their primary date to an earlier date in order to make a difference earlier in the primary process. Cruz will take the primary in Texas and that will give him a big boost in number of delegates.
I have seen that attempted comparison before and still think it is terribly weak.
TPA or other trade agreements -
Trade agreements still in negotiation have to be held in confidence or else you tip your hand to the other government’s negotiators. If you want to strike the very best deal for US interests, you don’t publicly divulge your position. That would be like a foreign government hacking into a US database and being given privileged and confidential information.
TPA —
Unlike Obamacare, TPA is being debated in the Senate and House by both parties, it has followed the entire constitutional process in formulating legislation. There is no “have to pass it before you can see it” — the TPA bill has been publicly available since May 22, 2015. TPP or other trade bills under TPA will be publicly available for viewing for at least 60 days before Congress can act.
Tell me why as a Cruz supporter who is now on the fence why I should trust him when he is enabling Obama? You cannot, because Cruz has not explained his position to those of us who want clear concise explanations.
Exactly right.
Ted:
(1) Always tells the truth
(2) Does what he said he would do
If FRs are single issue voters who can’t accept the explanations Ted has given in two radio interviews and on this press release, I pity our County.
Not weak at all. You choose to blindly follow GOPE style politics, I do not.
Ted is not enabling Obama.
Ted IS enabling Congress to have the final approval on a trade agreement.
Before TPA, the President is empowered by the US Constitution to negotiate treaties and agreement with foreign governments (Article II, Section II).
Before TPA, all the President needed to do is tell Congress what he had agreed to and get their advice and consent.
It is weak. I have explicitly given you the obvious differences between Obamacare and TPA.
There is no commonality. Sorry
That is BS.... He is giving Obie exactly what he wants.
You are sadly misinformed.
I’m done.
I wish you well.
There is no need to debate if after I give you an explanation you simply come back with personal accusations.
All the best
Best to you as well. Still waiting for the person I was supporting for President to adequately explain his position.
“But 2nd Division. You are his greatest supporter against all comers on FR. You should know the answer.”
No, amihow, you are wrong. 2nd Division, Catherine of Aragon, Cripplecreek, I, and others on this thread are ALL Cruz’s greatest supporters.
As was I ... He needs to explain clearly what he is supporting in this...looks like the same GOPE shell game to me.
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