CAFTA

6/13/2015 | tnmouth

[TNMOUTH]

Maybe some of you FREEPERS who bash Cruz for supporting TPA and who hold Jeff Sessions up as being a new hero for Americans....

Can you tell me WHY he supported CAFTA? Doesn't CAFTA give back door access to illegal immigration? Doesn't this hurt the American worker?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[TNMOUTH]

Prove that half of the supporters have moved on...where are your numbers? Wait, you don’t have them.

So, who are you supporting now...as I assume you were never really in his camp.

[Georgia Girl 2]

“Prove that half of the supporters have moved on”

LOL! Read the threads. Not my fault people are smart.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Well enjoy the sunset of your guy’s campaign. He shot himself in the foot and you want to take it out on me. LOL!

[kabar]

The current “plan” is leading to our demise.

[American Constitutionalist]

Watch how fast they leave when they realize their tactics and BS isnt working and have to go back to the top to get their future marching orders.

Ohh, it’s coming, sit back and watch and be patient, you will see, it won’t be long now.

[InterceptPoint]

The current “plan” is leading to our demise.
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Name the Top Dog Company based on total market value: Apple

Consider what they did to get there: Great Engineering. Great Marketing. World Class innovation. Best value manufacturing (in China).

Maybe that demise of yours is just around the corner but right now I don’t see it.

[InterceptPoint]

Watch how fast they leave when they realize their tactics and BS isnt working and have to go back to the top to get their future marching orders.

Ohh, it’s coming, sit back and watch and be patient, you will see, it won’t be long now.
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I’m sure you are right. President Cruz will, in fact, be a nightmare for certain groups. Mostly on the Left but, as you’ve seen, some on the “Right”. This fight isn’t over by a long shot.

[TNMOUTH]

LOL. Yeah, right. So, who do you support? Rand Paul?

Funny, do you think Perry, Walker, etc are going to lose as well because of their support for TPP?

Surely, you are telling them the same thing?

I doubt it.

[kabar]

Name the Top Dog Company based on total market value: Apple Consider what they did to get there: Great Engineering. Great Marketing. World Class innovation. Best value manufacturing (in China). Maybe that demise of yours is just around the corner but right now I don’t see it.

It's great for Apple and its shareholders. It is not so great for American workers.

“Job-creating”> ObamaTrade Requires Subsidies for Displaced U.S. Workers

In a glaring example of Orwellian double-think, ObamaTrade advocates are simultaneously pushing for Trade Promotion Authority (TPA, aka "Fast Track") to get the supposedly jobs-creating trade agreements through Congress, and Trade Adjustment Assistance (TAA) for U.S. workers who lose their jobs because of the agreements. So which is it? Is ObamaTrade going to lose jobs or create jobs? The answer, according to House Ways and Means Committee chairman Paul Ryan and others who support ObamaTrade, is yes — both.

Apparently they believe (or expect voters to believe) that jobs must be lost in order for jobs to be created. Moreover, without government intervention in the marketplace jobs will be lost and created as a result of innovation and consumer preferences. (How many workers make typewriters these days compared to computers?) But does it make sense for the U.S. government to sign treaties that will destroy jobs and then increase government spending to help the displaced workers? How can such an approach end any way but badly?

Remember NAFTA, which was going to create prosperity and jobs for Americans according to its propoents, but which resulted instead in the exportation of jobs? Is it stupidity — or evil, or both — to ignore this lesson from the past while pursuing ObamaTrade?

NAFTA was signed into law in 1993.

Civilian labor force participation rate

[InterceptPoint]

Your dream is that jobs of American workers never go away. That is just unrealistic. Jobs are going to disappear and be replaced by new jobs. Trade policies affect that equation. But we are not losing net jobs simply because of our trade policies. Taxes and regulations, union rules and other restrictions on business have a much larger effect on both employment and our standard of living. You are focused on Trade Policy. Big mistake. You are looking in the wrong box for the problem. You think you are helping your country. You aren't.

I want you to think about how many people were involved in building Apps for iPads, iPhone etc. 10 years ago. I'll give you the answer: ZERO. Things change. People have to adapt. Those that do survive. Those that don't will not. Free trade will make us more successful. Yes, it will displace people. Buggy whip manufacturing is not good pursuit these days. I would not invest in that business nor study it in school.

[kabar]

Your dream is that jobs of American workers never go away. That is just unrealistic. Jobs are going to disappear and be replaced by new jobs.

There you go again making up phony strawmen. I never said or intimated that I believed that jobs of American workers would never go away. That is insane. The issue is how government policies are affecting the functioning of the marketplace.

Trade agreements like the TPP and NAFTA leave these decisions not up to individual citizens, but to government regulators and negotiators who make decisions in the interest of the state and its favored special interests.

But we are not losing net jobs simply because of our trade policies. Taxes and regulations, union rules and other restrictions on business have a much larger effect on both employment and our standard of living.

Yes, but we are discussing trade policies and the impact they have on our labor market. You left out immigration and guest worker programs that bring in millions of foreign workers. We don't have a shortage of labor. If we did, wages would be going up, not down.

You are focused on Trade Policy. Big mistake. You are looking in the wrong box for the problem. You think you are helping your country. You aren't.

Wrong again. I am focusing on the thread of this post. We are discussing what the impact of TPA, TAA, and the subsequent secret trade agreements that flow from this authority. I know what is harming this country. We need to keep the bureaucrats and globalists from distorting the marketplace. These free trade policies (really not free) are eviscerating the American worker.

I want you to think about how many people were involved in building Apps for iPads, iPhone etc. 10 years ago. I'll give you the answer: ZERO. Things change. People have to adapt. Those that do survive. Those that don't will not. Free trade will make us more successful. Yes, it will displace people. Buggy whip manufacturing is not good pursuit these days. I would not invest in that business nor study it in school.

Please stop making up these phony strawmen. I am 72 years old and witnessed tremendous change across the entire economy led by technology.

Where you and I disagree is the impact on the American worker. You pass it off as "displacing people", but there is a far greater cost to our society and economy. Creating a permanent underclass will affect even those who live in gated communities like I do.

[central_va]

Free Traders are religious zealots.

[American Constitutionalist]

We didn’t realize how prophetic my statement actually was, wow, a day later and that article comes out about Curtis Ellis.

Now most of the Cruz haters are quite, egg on their faces.