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Access to disabled holds up debut of $4 million Santa Rosa fire station
Press Democrat ^ | 29 July 2015 | KEVIN MCCALLUM

Posted on 05/28/2015 8:31:23 PM PDT by rey

Santa Rosa’s use of its $4 million Fountaingrove fire station has been delayed by questions about whether the new building is sufficiently accessible to people with disabilities.

The 5,300-square-foot Newgate Court station was supposed to be ready for occupancy in April, but last minute inspections by city staff trained in the requirements of the Americans with Disability Act highlighted numerous potential violations.

The discovery has perplexed many at City Hall, especially given that the city has spent about $6 million over the past 5 years improving the accessibility of existing buildings, parks and sidewalks under the watchful eye of the U.S. Department of Justice.

It’s still unclear whether there are actually significant ADA or building code violations in the station. The fire department has hired an outside ADA consultant to review the facility and help determine what, if any, shortcomings exist, what changes need to be made, and how much they’ll cost.

“The building is ADA-accessible,” said Santa Rosa Fire Chief Tony Gossner. “What we’re struggling with it does it need to be fully accessible, and if so, what that does mean?”

The nine firefighters who will work and live in Station 5 are able-bodied by definition and obviously don’t require toilets, showers and counter tops in the station to be wheelchair accessible. But as a public facility built with public money, questions have come up about how much of the building needs to be open to the public and therefore ADA-accessible.

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1 posted on 05/28/2015 8:31:23 PM PDT by rey
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wheelchair accessible showers??


2 posted on 05/28/2015 8:34:49 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: rey

The only way for many government bureaucrats to justify their continued employment is to **** with people.


3 posted on 05/28/2015 8:36:03 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("World History is not full of good governments, or of good voters either "--P.J. O'Rourke)
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Yes. But what is so funny here is that they are messing with themselves. One gov agency after another. It is foolishness.

This is the problem many have; you design a structure, get it permitted in a certain year, finish it years later and it has to conform to the new standard? It is like trying to hit a moving target.


4 posted on 05/28/2015 8:38:25 PM PDT by rey
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ADA laws are perhaps the most asinine laws of all


5 posted on 05/28/2015 8:43:29 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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I can remember when ADA first came around and the crazies were insisting that it mean making golf course SAND TRAPS wheelchair accessible.

I’m serious.

Also they wanted any elevated platform for nude STRIPPERS to be wheelchair accessible.

You think I mean for patrons, right?

NOPE! They meant STRIPPERS in wheelchairs.

Yes, I’m serious, and they were, too.


6 posted on 05/28/2015 8:53:54 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: rey
The nine firefighters who will work and live in Station 5 are able-bodied by definition and obviously don’t require toilets, showers and counter tops in the station to be wheelchair accessible.

They're in the process of refurbishing many of the aircraft hangars over at the Navy base where I work. The heads and showers are now all ADA compliant, even though the only people who will ever use them are able-bodied sailors.

They removed four standard commodes and showers and replaced them with two of each standard and one of each wheelchair accessible.

7 posted on 05/28/2015 9:00:09 PM PDT by Drew68
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This reminds me of the Braille number pad on the drive-up ATM at a bank. If you're blind, how are you going to drive to the drive-thru ATM?

I guess it's not as simple as that, but when I saw that I wondered , "What were they thinking?"

8 posted on 05/28/2015 9:01:06 PM PDT by HotHunt
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They removed four standard commodes and showers and replaced them with two of each standard and one of each wheelchair accessible.

Oh yeah, they also took away two standard height urinals and gave us one standard, one midget.

9 posted on 05/28/2015 9:01:06 PM PDT by Drew68
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I guess it's not as simple as that, but when I saw that I wondered , "What were they thinking?"

They're thinking of the ADA lawyers who do nothing but drive around all day with a tape measure to make sure handicapped parking spaces are compliant and raise holy hell if they aren't. Putting a braille sticker on an ATM machine is a lot cheaper and less of a hassle than dealing with these guys when they're demanding a check.

10 posted on 05/28/2015 9:04:08 PM PDT by Drew68
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It’s not a midget. It’s just that some of us hang a bit lower, doncha know....


11 posted on 05/28/2015 9:07:34 PM PDT by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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To: BenLurkin
How can you say that? Just look at all the good ADA Laws do for everybody. Your local government officials are all good stewards of your hard-earned tax dollars. Trust them to make wise decisions for you.


12 posted on 05/28/2015 9:09:26 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
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The preschool our kids attended was in a charming old community house. One year, a curmudgeonly family showed up and forced the city to spend huge dollars on ramps to accommodate their daughter’s needs. The construction was done at great expense to our little town. The week before the new preschool term started, they withdrew their daughter and went to some other school. I’ve often wondered how that poor girl fared in life.


13 posted on 05/28/2015 9:13:12 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
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I was recently involved in the design process of a new building. We had to make the entry to a commercial kitchen ADA compliant, while every piece of equipment in said kitchen was not. Now we have a bunch of wasted space that is useless to a kitchen environment.


14 posted on 05/28/2015 9:13:35 PM PDT by matt04
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To: rey; BenLurkin

ADA=Attorneys dreams arrived.


15 posted on 05/28/2015 9:15:33 PM PDT by BBell (Pacifists are the parasites of Freedom)
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But, they’re messing with each other at taxpayer expense. It’s all fun and games until someone loses a pension.


16 posted on 05/28/2015 9:17:51 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: gaijin
“NOPE! They meant STRIPPERS in wheelchairs.”

Yeah well I mean we all pine for a quadriplegic stripper don't we?

17 posted on 05/28/2015 9:18:31 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: MeshugeMikey
wheelchair accessible showers??

Wheelchair-accessible fire poles!

Regards,

18 posted on 05/28/2015 9:29:59 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: HotHunt

Years ago there was an ambulance-chasing “ADA activist” in Tampa who would try to extort $$$ from various businesses that supposedly weren’t handicapped accessible. He even tried to sue some strip clubs because the stages weren’t ADA compliant.


19 posted on 05/28/2015 9:31:22 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: denydenydeny
The only way for many government bureaucrats to justify their continued employment is to **** with people.

Local jurisdictions have commissions and boards that rule on compliance with the ADA often staffed with disabled volunteers. These members often act like parasites. It's not the bureaucrats. It's runaway disabled who are not held in check.

20 posted on 05/28/2015 9:33:51 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (behind enemy lines)
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