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Taylor Swift, Privileged Daughter Of Wealthy Plutocrats: The 'Real Story' About Her 1% Upbringing
Salon ^ | FRIDAY, MAY 22, 2015 06:00 PM | SCOTT TIMBERG

Posted on 05/23/2015 11:50:45 AM PDT by drewh

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To: The Toll

But what used to take million dollar studios and talented musicians, like The Wrecking Crew to do, can now be done from a home studio with music software.


81 posted on 05/23/2015 6:48:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Will88

That’s where the real pain is. It takes a lot of work to break a new act. You have to tour tour tour, work work work. It’s more difficult now for many reasons. Most debut or sophomore record acts are now forced to tour in “festival” type bundles of five or six acts. Everyone gets maybe 25 minutes of stage fine and a free buritto every night. It’s a dead end.

Because this is a dead end bands prefer not to do it. Clubs no longer have enough national acts coming through to justify paying a full time booker/talent buyer. You have waitresses and bartenders part-time booking clubs. They know nothing at all about music or acts that are making headway. It’s all the same to them.

Everyone gets sick of it all and hires some 20 year old nozzle to hit play on his laptop on the weekends and call it EDM. It’s a mess. All of it.

I don’t really care anymore, I got out and got my money. As a consumer though, I know in getting shortchanged.


82 posted on 05/23/2015 6:54:14 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: dfwgator

Sure, tell that to Speilberg when he and YouTube users are turning similar numbers. It’s not the same quality. Not even close.


83 posted on 05/23/2015 6:55:32 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: The Toll
That’s where the real pain is. It takes a lot of work to break a new act. You have to tour tour tour, work work work. It’s more difficult now for many reasons. Most debut or sophomore record acts are now forced to tour in “festival” type bundles of five or six acts. Everyone gets maybe 25 minutes of stage fine and a free buritto every night. It’s a dead end.

That's pretty much the way it was in the 60s. It's going 'back to the future.'

84 posted on 05/23/2015 6:55:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: The Toll

Now that’s what makes me laugh, all these people going crazy for some dweeb who presses a button.


85 posted on 05/23/2015 6:57:02 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: The Toll
It’s not the same quality. Not even close.

But it's "good enough."

86 posted on 05/23/2015 6:57:41 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Will88
But you don't know what you are talking about.

Do you seriously think YouTube could get away with playing illegal music? Or Pandora, LastFM, Spotify, or any of the other streaming services that have virtually eliminated the need to purchase music on compact disc? All those services are completely legal.

What happened here was that the music industry decided to cling to a business model that was being rendered extinct by technology and instead of embracing the new technologies, they decided to fight the technology and make enemies of their own customers.

87 posted on 05/23/2015 7:03:08 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: dfwgator

I agree, it is good enough. That’s ok too I guess. I’ve just seen really high level people throw in the towel over the past two years mainly. Really innovative people that dedicated their youth to discipline and creativity. They just can’t take it anymore, it’s too disheartening. The public generally doesn’t care to know the difference between the Space Shuttle and a Roller Blade. Musically speaking of course.


88 posted on 05/23/2015 7:08:03 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: SamAdams76

So what if those services are legal? About half the revenue of the music industry has been lost in the past ten years. But it is not legal to download copyrighted music from youtube and possess it. And there are almost limitless ways people can copy music from many sources without paying.

You just pretend that the lost billions are still there for the music industry’s taking, but they’re just too lazy and/or dumb to use the technology and recoup six or seven billion in lost annual revenue.

What you’re saying is beyond ridiculous.


89 posted on 05/23/2015 7:09:35 PM PDT by Will88
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To: SamAdams76

Their lovely “oh so dedicated” customers could give two craps if their hero singer they care SO MUCJ about has to beg their parents to help them with a root canal. They could care less, and it shows.


90 posted on 05/23/2015 7:11:25 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: Will88
Music was being copied on a massive scale way before the Internet. Billions of blank cassette tapes were sold during the 1970s. You think consumers were using those to tape themselves talking?

So half the revenue of the music industry has been lost? So what. It simply got transferred to the innovators who provided a better alternative to obtaining music on an overpriced piece of plastic (the compact disc).

The music industry snoozed. Their loss.

91 posted on 05/23/2015 7:16:11 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

All music is free. You win the argument. Feel free to be “all about dat bass, all about dat bass” for eternity.


92 posted on 05/23/2015 7:18:38 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: SamAdams76
So half the revenue of the music industry has been lost? So what. It simply got transferred to the innovators who provided a better alternative to obtaining music on an overpriced piece of plastic (the compact disc).

Lol, just what I thought. Another one who justifies the theft of music from music creators because some great 'innovator' came up with a method to obtain the music without paying the creator of the music.

So, you agree with me after all your posturing and posing. Music is being stolen on a massive scale.

And all those tapes were not being used for theft. I copied the music from many vinyl albums I owned to tape so they could be played in an automobile. Probably the biggest use of blank tape once tape players were put in cars and trucks.

93 posted on 05/23/2015 7:39:26 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88
All the streaming services I mentioned pay royalties.

So not sure what you are inferring by them "stealing music on a massive scale."

94 posted on 05/23/2015 7:51:19 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: The Toll

Yep, I’d read a few times that the huge album sales of the top acts financed production of albums that didn’t sell well and also the introduction of new acts as you describe. Now about half the revenue is gone along with the huge sales top groups once realized before so many music lovers stop paying for their music.


95 posted on 05/23/2015 7:53:55 PM PDT by Will88
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To: SamAdams76
So not sure what you are inferring by them "stealing music on a massive scale."

So, you could figure out how music was being copied illegally on a massive scale before the internet, but you can't figure out how music is being copied illegally on an even more massive scale with the internet?

Music was being copied on a massive scale way before the Internet. Billions of blank cassette tapes were sold during the 1970s. You think consumers were using those to tape themselves talking?

Like I said, much of that blank tape was being used to make legal copies of vinyl recordings people already owned so they could play the tapes in their vehicles.

But any illegal copying in those days was child's play compared to what can be done now. You must be one of the few around who doesn't understand that, and what happened to half the music industries sales revenue over the past ten years.

End of discussion.

96 posted on 05/23/2015 8:04:17 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

It’s not too different from other businesses that are forced to tighten the belt. Risk is done away with. That’s why your only going to see derivatives of previously successful acts. Along with risk, innovation is out as well.

As far as “royalties” from streaming services they are similar to a joke except they’re not funny. They never pay and when they do it’s 1000x less than those old “evil” record companies use to pay.

It’s over. The industry is a joke. It’s been that way forever though. The problem I see now is well beyond the hipsters ability to understand. To keep it simple, there was a time when many musicians were able to barely make ends meet enough to be a full time musician. What you are capable of creating once you take that leap of faith is far greater than what you can create while working 9 to 5. Trust funders and hipsters will never understand why the are musically gutless.


97 posted on 05/23/2015 8:26:20 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: Will88
You are still stuck on the old business model where people would purchase music on physical media or even purchase an MP3 file.

People are shifting away from "owning" music to having virtually all recorded music on demand for a fixed fee. YouTube, Spotify, Pandora and many others are offering that service. Soon Apple will be in the game.

The traditional music industry is seeing declining profits because they continue to resist adapting to the new business model.

By the way, this is quickly happening with movies and TV shows as well. DVD sales are in a tailspin as people would rather see their movies streamed on demand. Nobody cares about owning movies on physical media anymore. Same with TV shows. Many people prefer to stream their TV shows on demand on services like Hulu and Netflix, as opposed to tuning into a TV channel at a specific time.

98 posted on 05/23/2015 8:38:47 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: The Toll
Most musicians make the bulk of their money on live performances. It was that way even back in the days when the recording companies were fat and happy. Aside from the biggest names, most artists got a pittance on record sales as record companies would deduct from their royalties all kinds of expenses including "promotion" fees.
99 posted on 05/23/2015 8:44:26 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Ben Ficklin

Feminism is more noxious than communism, and is a rot on western civilization. You cannot be a Rightist and support “girl power.”


100 posted on 05/23/2015 8:49:06 PM PDT by Clemenza (Lurking)
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