Posted on 05/23/2015 1:59:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
WASHINGTON—The Senate early Saturday defeated a string of efforts to extend the Patriot Act as lawmakers splintered over its contentious phone surveillance program and left town with no plan in place to prevent the law from lapsing.
After next week’s Memorial Day recess, the Senate will resume its debate over the national security law at 4 p.m. on May 31, eight hours before the law expires at midnight.
Lawmakers fractured through the evening, rejecting a House bill overhauling the NSA, a two-month Patriot Act extension and then increasingly short extensions of the law. Primarily due to objections from presidential candidate Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) the Senate couldn't agree to pass even a 24-hour extension of the Patriot Act, the 2001 law that expanded the government’s authority to search for terror suspects.
“We better be ready next Sunday afternoon,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) said on the Senate floor after the early-morning series of blocked votes. Next Sunday’s session will be an “opportunity to act responsibly and not allow this program to expire,” he said.
Beginning shortly after midnight, the Senate narrowly blocked a House bill ending the NSA’s collection of bulk phone information, requiring the government instead to obtain court approval to request phone records from companies on a case-by-case basis. The vote to move forward with the House bill was 57-42, short of the 60 votes needed to clear the Senate’s procedural threshold.
The bill had easily cleared the House with bipartisan support last week and was backed by the White House.
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If you define something broadly enough, you catch alotta people whose only crime is thinking that government is too big.
Like the 2nd, pretty easy to read, and see the violation (again) of our own govt:
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized”
So, you believe gobbling up all communication, having biz/corp. install NSA ‘back-doors’/etc. ISN’T an infraction again unreasonable search and seizures? I ain’t seen a warrant yet
Tell me, how well did they do w/ the Boston bombers (hint: Russia informed Fedzilla they had snakes in midst; they still got every benefit and nary a 2nd look...until after they locked down Boston in the manhunt [Marshal Law])?
The same Fed govt that runs guns to the cartels and ISIS? Swung wide the borders and IMPORTS Muslims?
Some track record you stand behind.
Can you please point to any part of the Patriot Act that authorizes stuff like that? The Patriot act, explicitly, is to target only those who "violate federal law" and are a threat to national security. Ordinary folks can't be targeted under it, not even political groups. If they are, it's a violation of the law. Secondly, warrants are indeed issued for those who are American citizens. These are delayed warrants-- you probably won't know one is issued against you till later-- but that's been standard for drug offenses, and organized crime for a long time.
So, exactly what part of the Patriot Act do y'all have a problem with? Can you cite a part?
Will you please stop making sense! :-)
Hell ... I posted in another thread that I would accept a military coup ... I believe we could survive one better than the rape that is happening now.
Snowden brought to light only that which was of significant and even immense assistance to the very people, groups, and countries that want to destroy America and, yes, to kill every single American given the chance. He also tossed bones to the American public to turn that public against its own government.
The overwhelming material that Snowden stole was of top secret MILITARY INFORMATION involving, as much as anything, the coordinated activities of other, allied nations against totalitarian and semi-totalitarian regimes—such, as for instance, Sweden's formerly unknown and secret monitoring of Russian military communications.
Snowden did not try to flee to a single country that is considered a free country as represented by existing freedom of the press. They were all outright or de facto enemies of the U. S. He tried to go, in order, to Cuba, Ecuador, China, and ended up in Russia—where he may have intended to end up from the beginning. There he has served as a servile propagandist, emitting in his self-righteous and degenerate rants to the naive worldwide not a peep about the repression, the outright spying on , and the continual assassinations of Russians who publicly indicate opposition to the repressive and murderous Putin regime.
Snowden is a modern reincarnation of the infamous “Tokyo Rose” and “Lord Ha-Ha”, propagandists for imperial Japan and Nazi Germany in World War II. How anyone can make him a guiding star is a puzzle of psychological pathology. It's unfortunate his admirers can not spend just a little time with him in his chosen setting: they would quickly learn what freedom is all about and that, yes, a free country has the right to defend itself and damn well better do that if it wants to survive.
Your reply is almost entirely “Snowden” and all the diversions that go with. That’s a fundamental tactic when trying to argue for an act of ill-considered beginnings and even more dubious implementation and practice, AGAINST what I clearly spelled out in my reply as legitimate founding reason in our Bill or Rights.
I am saying that this (surveillance) is just one more straw on the back of the American camel, and you have now way of knowing this government ruled by a tyrant is telling or will ever tell you the truth. You can believe it or don’t but don’t try to put this all off an argument about Snowden. I gave you my reasons about the disparities in testimony by NSA, by other agencies about metadata and the ins and outs. Your choice is to believe or disbelieve it. I don’t have to lead you to the water.
‘A’ part? I cite the ‘law’ as a WHOLE; as in WHOLLY unconstitutional. Take your pick on any number of OTHERS as well, it falls within the same.
‘Violate Federal Law’. What DOESN’T these days?? Sure doesn’t stop ‘em for giving out bennies/SS/work-visas for known ILLEGALS; or importing the same to distribute around the Country (how many children DIED because they bused in these 3rd world ‘bug factories’; measles, etc.). How about Nasan (sp?) and Ft. Hood, or Boston.
The ONLY terrorism (shoe bomber, etc.), IIRC, was stopped by average/everyday citizens .
The IRS is setup to ONLY enforce the tax laws...they’d NEVER be partisan against any ‘group’ like, say, the Tea Party.
Nor was the FCC specifically authorized to take over the internet for ‘fairness’, or the EPA for ‘all navigable waterways’
The income tax was ‘only’ for the ‘rich’...NEVER for the ‘middle-class’
SS/lock-box...you need other examples still?
And I'm sure you have a reasonable, logical legal argument that will demonstrate that, eh?
‘Violate Federal Law’. What DOESN’T these days??
When I was listening to that retard Rand Paul a little bit in clips I've seen on the senate floor, I had noticed that he wasn't talking about what the law actually does, but how the government might violate it. It was a whole bunch of "the government always oversteps! Once it receives power it takes more!" blah blah blah.
But then that got me thinking: If the government has to violate the law in order to abuse it, then what's special about the law? Can't they violate the law even without the Patriot Act?
LOL, what?! Time to stop drinking.
You need a brain to do that.
“Rand Paul is many things”
That is just it, he speaks on many things and stands for nothing. He is tepid and needs to be spit out.
Yeah. Not a big GOP fan, but when he blamed them for ISIS that’s when I did a double face palm.
What an ass he can be.
exactly....its a marlin....a red marlin...:)
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