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51 Percent Of Democrats Pretty Much Want To Destroy The First Amendment
Townhall.com ^ | May 21, 2015 | Matt Vespa

Posted on 05/21/2015 3:01:42 PM PDT by Kaslin

So, National Review’s Charlie Cooke found an interesting poll showing that a majority of Democrats–and a substantial proportion of Republicans–want to upend the foundation of First Amendment law in the United States. They want to criminalize so-called hate speech. Nevertheless, 60 percent of Americans say that it’s “okay” publish Muhammad cartoons, and over 70 percent approve of our right to offend. So, what’s going on here?

Party affiliation is the only place where we see a majority for making hate speech a crime. That honor is awarded to the Democrats, where 51 percent agree with that sentiment, according to a YouGov poll. Yet, 37 percent of Republicans also agree, along with 35 percent of Independents. When it comes to age, 18-29 year olds break 42/26 in favor of making hate speech a crime, with 32 percent replying that they’re not sure. More 30-44 year-olds oppose the notion of making hate speech a crime, breaking 38/41/21 in supporting, opposing, or saying they’re not sure when asked about the proposed measure. Similar feelings are exhibited from 45-64 year-olds, who break 38/43/19, but 49 percent of those 65-years of age and older support redefining free speech law. Thirty-three percent oppose and 17 percent aren’t sure in that 65 and older group.

When it comes to gender, men break 38/43/19 concerning supporting, opposing, or not being sure. With women, the numbers are almost the opposite 43/32/25.

Overall, 41 percent support a law against hate speech, while 37 percent oppose; 22 percent are not sure.

I guess the silver lining is that there are a lot of people across the board that are not sure if we should fundamentally change free speech in America. Also, public opinion is highly moldable.

Yet, we seem to be suffering from split personalities because when YouGov asked if hate speech does or does not allow people to say things “intended to stir up hatred against a group based on such thins as their race, gender, religion, ethnic origin, or sexual orientation,” 56 percent of Americans said it does allow for such statements, 17 percent disagreed, and 27 percent said they aren’t sure.

There’s also a significant gender gap on this issue. Again, breaking down the numbers between does allow/does not allow/not sure–men overwhelmingly agree that the First Amendment permits hate speech 66/17/18. The same cannot be said of women 47/18/35.

With age group, majorities in all brackets show support for free speech. 18-29 year-olds break 57/18/35; 30-44 year-olds 53/15/32; 45-64 year-olds 58/19/24; and 65 years of age and older 56/21/22. When it comes to party affiliation, a plurality of Democrats agree 48/26/26, but Independents (58/12/31) and Republicans (64/17/19) believe that hate speech is allowed under the First Amendment. If that’s the case, then how could a significant proportion of Americans think that hate speech should be criminalized?

If hate speech is permitted under the First Amendment, then it’s protected speech and laws against it that would be considered unconstitutional. Moreover, case law undercuts the imposition of such laws. Hate speech has no defined legal meaning in U.S. law, so the first hurdle would be defining which forms of expression–which at the time would be considered free expression–should be suppressed by the government. Eugene Volokh wrote in the Washington Post about this matter. It’s a rather dangerous legal minefield [emphasis mine]:

…“hate speech” also doesn’t have any fixed legal meaning under U.S. law. U.S. law has just never had occasion to define “hate speech” — any more than it has had occasion to define rudeness, evil ideas, unpatriotic speech, or any other kind of speech that people might condemn but that does not constitute a legally relevant category.

Of course, one can certainly argue that First Amendment law should be changed to allow bans on hate speech (whether bigoted speech, blasphemy, blasphemy to which foreigners may respond with attacks on Americans or blasphemy or flag burning or anything else). Perhaps some statements of the “This isn’t free speech, it’s hate speech” variety are deliberate attempts to call for such an exception, though my sense is that they are usually (incorrect) claims that the exception already exists.

I think no such exception should be recognized, but of course, like all questions about what the law ought to be, this is a matter that can be debated. Indeed, people have a First Amendment right to call for speech restrictions, just as they have a First Amendment right to call for gun bans or bans on Islam or government-imposed race discrimination or anything else that current constitutional law forbids. Constitutional law is no more set in stone than any other law.

But those who want to make such arguments should acknowledge that they are calling for a change in First Amendment law, and should explain just what that change would be, so people can thoughtfully evaluate it. Calls for a new First Amendment exception for “hate speech” shouldn’t just rely on the undefined term “hate speech” — they should explain just what viewpoints the government would be allowed to suppress, what viewpoints would remain protected, and how judges, juries, and prosecutors are supposed to distinguish the two. Saying “this isn’t free speech, it’s hate speech” doesn’t, I think, suffice.

The beautiful thing about this country is that you have the right to offend; you can say things that are racist, offensive, and outright absurd without the fear of the secret police placing a black bag over your head later that night. Now, while this is a right, it does not guarantee immunity from the consequences. Don Imus was fired from CBS for calling members of the Rutgers women’s basketball “nappy headed hoes.” ESPN fired a headline writer who wrote, “chink in the armor” about Jeremy Lin, who was playing for the New York Knicks at the time. Paula Deen received intense media scrutiny for admitting to using the N-word multiple times when she was sued for discrimination two years ago. So, it’s not like people who decided to say outrageous things aren’t met with punishment.

Nevertheless, Volokh aptly notes how such a law would fundamentally change the face of the country. I dread the day where we have to debate what’s an acceptable form of expression and what is not, along with legal procedures to censor such speech. A test of one’s citizenship here is showing how much you can stomach things said by individuals you just can’t stand. Instead of supporting laws that would ban this person from exercising his right to free speech, get into the trenches on your own–you can say that he or she is wrong. If you’re not confrontational, just keep moving on with your day; that’s also your right.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: firstamendment; freespeech

1 posted on 05/21/2015 3:01:42 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I’m surprised the number is that low.


2 posted on 05/21/2015 3:04:08 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

It’s probably at least 10 to 15 percent higher


3 posted on 05/21/2015 3:06:15 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

To me, the one thing that public schools need to get right is to teach how our unique government works and succeeds. Failing that, the Republic will fall apart, and too few will be left that know why.

Maybe I should have put that all in the past tense. Hope not.


4 posted on 05/21/2015 3:10:01 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: rightwingcrazy
To me, the one thing that public schools need to get right is to teach how our unique government works and succeeds.

Public schools are staffed almost entirely with leftists who have been doing the exact opposite for decades. It is unlikely that will change. Other plans are past due.

5 posted on 05/21/2015 3:16:55 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Kaslin

They pretty much want to destroy the Constitution.


6 posted on 05/21/2015 3:18:01 PM PDT by Flag_This (You can't spell "treason" without the "O".)
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To: Kaslin

...except when it affects them or their causes.


7 posted on 05/21/2015 3:20:41 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Kaslin

If you can ban “hate speech”, it is very simple to ban the political party already smeared as hating women, hating minorities, hating the poor.


8 posted on 05/21/2015 3:21:20 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Kaslin
Will burning the American flag move from protected speech to hate speech against Americans?

-PJ

9 posted on 05/21/2015 3:21:39 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Kaslin

Eventually, those who are accused of “trigger warnings” and violations of “safe spaces” would be guilty of hate crimes.


10 posted on 05/21/2015 3:30:08 PM PDT by teacherwoes (Alethephobia-fear of hearing the truth)
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To: Kaslin

Horrid.


11 posted on 05/21/2015 3:51:24 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: dhs12345

If they were honest about their views, every politician, bureaucrat, fascist, communist, socialist, partisan, and extremist would admit they are in favor of limiting free speech so long as it is they who determine what speech is acceptable.


12 posted on 05/21/2015 4:21:10 PM PDT by Roger Kaputnik (Just because I'm paranoid doesn't prove that they aren't out to get me.)
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To: Kaslin

Hey Dems, you are trying to get rid of the constitution. The head moron of your party is doing a great job destroying it.


13 posted on 05/21/2015 4:40:39 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Kaslin

We are in deep trouble.


14 posted on 05/21/2015 4:51:05 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Kaslin
It is either Free Speech or Regulated Speech. What a sorry state we the ourselves in. So many are willing to surrender what others in many nations have longed for all their lives. Some fleeing to this land exactly because of our freedom. Freedom as it is constitutionally protected...that being freedom from tyranny and government oppression.
What they fail to understand is that once you trade Free Speech for Regulated Speech you loose the ability to freely express your thoughts, ideals, beliefs, discoveries and opinions.
So what is wrong with limiting all of our media, press, personal and public expressions to Ninette context? I guess that comes back to who defines what constitutes ‘hate’ speech. That would no doubt be a wonderful thing for lawyers and judges and political cronies to all get together on and endlessly explore....for eternity.
Such a rare and beautiful freedom we enjoy. To loose it would be tragedy, that we would surrender it willingly is unbelievable.
15 posted on 05/21/2015 5:21:39 PM PDT by Mobilemitter (We must learn to fin >-)> for ourselves.........)
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To: Kaslin

tie it with a free phone and it goes to 4%


16 posted on 05/21/2015 5:26:53 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (It is not heaven, it is Iowa. Everyone gets a "Corn Check")
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To: Roger Kaputnik

Exactly.


17 posted on 05/22/2015 6:25:08 AM PDT by dhs12345
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