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Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders Proposes Free College Tuition
vanity ^ | 05, 20,2015 | Nathan Bedford

Posted on 05/20/2015 2:26:13 AM PDT by nathanbedford

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1 posted on 05/20/2015 2:26:13 AM PDT by nathanbedford
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So, you look at the European university operation. No NCAA sports. There’s fairly good odds that if you start out on day one...the vast majority of students (probably over seventy percent) will be there to wrap it up at the end of four to five years (yeah, shocker that some bachelor programs run five years in Germany). Support staff within univeristy programs? Yeah....but they basically get paid around 30k Euro a year and not the tidy $70,000 to $90,000 that you see at major universities in the states. New buildings appearing on campus every year? Well...no, they’ve got some buildings that easily date back to the 1800s.

Take the template which a typical German university would operate and force a US university to operate within the same perimeters (pay, staff, operations, sports). The US student would be paying a max of eight thousand dollars a year.


2 posted on 05/20/2015 2:40:39 AM PDT by pepsionice
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That assumes U. S. higher education is in place to actually educate young adults, instead of the reality that it is a jobs program for Marxists who can find employment nowhere else...


3 posted on 05/20/2015 2:44:33 AM PDT by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: nathanbedford

One major problem we have in the USA is the fact that schools even have things like the “Gender and Sexuality Resource Center” which is OK with murals of cop killers.

That crap isn’t free.

These days we’re trying to turn every local community college into a 4 year university and every kid should attend. Education is becoming a self perpetuating funding machine for socialists.


4 posted on 05/20/2015 2:48:33 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: abb

If they trained doctors, scientists, lawyers, and business professionals....I’d agree.

When you walk into a car rental shop at some airport, and the chief of the shop is some 25-year-old guy who just wrapped up a four-year degree....you just shake your head. Twenty years ago, it was a 45-year-old high school graduate who headed up the operation. We’ve now created fake positions for the college graduates because there’s simply not enough real jobs for them.


5 posted on 05/20/2015 2:56:33 AM PDT by pepsionice
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Hillary will soon be rolling this out, along with single-payer medical insurance.

Today’s youth and minorities are not able to see the tyranny in this.


6 posted on 05/20/2015 2:58:03 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: pepsionice

This too.

I’m a high school dropout who ended up as a paint room foreman who could run, maintain and repair all air and fluid systems in the department including a bank of robots. I learned it all on the job and if any new systems came into the department I was there learning about it direct from the manufacturer as it was installed.


7 posted on 05/20/2015 3:06:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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Colleges are worried.
With the technology we have today and what is promised for tomorrow, your child will not have to go to college except for hands-on experience. Today you can get education on the internet about every subject known to man.
With discipline your student can learn everything they need to know on the internet and new technology will change how our children learn.
At home .


8 posted on 05/20/2015 3:14:32 AM PDT by lucky american (Progressives are attacking our rights and y'all will sit there and take it.)
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To: lucky american
An example to your point:

In Europe the students are sitting in lecture halls typing notes into their laptops but professors in my son's American university prohibit the use of computers in class.


9 posted on 05/20/2015 3:26:17 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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One sentence?
I hope all is well and you are in good health.


10 posted on 05/20/2015 3:35:27 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: nathanbedford

The free education is provided for free by unpaid staff .... Is he proposing the professors donate their time?


11 posted on 05/20/2015 3:36:27 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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NOT free, of course.

Merely billed to those who have a bit of ready cash.


12 posted on 05/20/2015 3:40:26 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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In Europe the students are sitting in lecture halls typing notes into their laptops but professors in my son's American university prohibit the use of computers in class.

On that, it sounds like the American way is better. Who knows what those students are doing with those laptops? Youtube, Facebook, Icanhas.cheezburger? OTOH, writing notes by hand helps fix the information in the brain. I carry a notebook around all the time, and take notes during meetings and important conversations. I rarely look back at the notes, but I remember the important stuff because I wrote it down. You can't always carry a laptop, but you can *always* have a notebook.

13 posted on 05/20/2015 4:26:03 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: silverleaf

I think he is... LOL

That ought to be GOP response. “So Mr Sanders, we can support your idea of free college by removing the salary and compensation from all university employees. Nice job.”

It wouldn’t be long before the pointed headed commie professors revolt.


14 posted on 05/20/2015 4:27:00 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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Yes! Let’s raise the standard of performance of higher education to that of the post office!!! Oh...Wait...


15 posted on 05/20/2015 4:30:07 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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I love this “free” stuff. Will utilities be expected to donate their goods and services...gas, water, electric, etc.? Will the entire staff, from maintenance to dean, be expected to donate their time? Property tax-free? Outside contractors will work for no pay on campus projects? Don’t think so.


16 posted on 05/20/2015 4:44:45 AM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: exDemMom; central_va
My experience as well is that writing stuff down tends to hold it in memory better and that, perhaps not incidentally, is the argument the American professors advance in prohibiting laptops in the classroom.

My problem is that for lecture courses there should not even be a classroom, it should be done online and the professor should have his salary cut way back and collect royalties for the audio/video lecture viewed by the students on the Internet. If you are studying a liberal arts course it seems to me that memory is not the primary objective but reasoning is and I do not understand how memorizing a professor's lecture advantages the student over absorbing the material in written form. I can read faster than I can listen and I can re-read what I don't understand. In any event, I can replay that portion of the lecture that I think is important or that which I do not understand.

I have to cut this reply short, or I might lose my reputation for brevity.


17 posted on 05/20/2015 4:58:57 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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Our history proves that once institutions are commandeered by the Left, they will be perverted from their intended purposes.

Beginning a hundred years ago, America pretty well ceased to maintain, let alone improve republican supporting institutions.

In view of our corrupted K-12 and higher Ed systems alone, it is amazing there are any conservatives at all.


18 posted on 05/20/2015 6:11:31 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To shun Article V is to embrace tyranny.)
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Wow, it’s so nice of him to offer to pay for it himself!

Or are the professors offering to teach without pay?
The administrators work without pay?
The facilities people working without pay?
Utility companies, food prep/supply, all offering free stuff?

How nice of them.

I suppose we’ll just “ask” them as Obama says.


19 posted on 05/20/2015 6:13:34 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Jacquerie
Beginning a hundred years ago, America pretty well ceased to maintain, let alone improve republican supporting institutions.

I'm an amateur genealogist and whenever I think of the way my ancestors lived (Western PA) back in the late 1700s/early 1800s, I think "now THAT was freedom!"

20 posted on 05/20/2015 6:14:29 AM PDT by uncitizen (Pamela Geller - Peaceful Protestor)
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