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Why the Iraqi army keeps failing
Washington Post ^ | 05/19/2015 | By Ishaan Tharoor

Posted on 05/19/2015 1:44:38 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Shiite militias have surged into Iraq's Anbar province, a largely Sunni region, in a government-sanctioned bid to recapture the provincial capital Ramadi, which was seized in its entirety by the jihadists of the Islamic State at the end of last week. Thousands have fled the city, which is about 80 miles west of Baghdad.

Ramadi's fall poses a problem for U.S. officials, who have sought to paint a picture of a weakening Islamic State. One Pentagon spokesman told reporters that the city's capture was part of "complex, bloody fight" in which "there are going to be ebbs and flows."

The sudden advance of the extremist militants into the city's last government-held redoubts was enabled in part by a series of coordinated car bomb blasts. The panicked retreat that followed seemed a replay of the events of nearly a year ago, when Iraqi forces defending Mosul, the largest city in northern Iraq, melted away in the face of an Islamic State onslaught. The jihadist organization still controls Mosul and has carried out hideous attacks on religious minorities in its surrounding areas.

For all the efforts of a host of factions battling the jihadists on the ground, as well as an extensive campaign of U.S. airstrikes and commando operations, the Islamic State remains extraordinarily resilient. In comparison, the Iraqi army appears tragically feeble, unable to wage an effective counterinsurgency despite billions of American dollars spent in training and arms, and easily overwhelmed by the militants' rapid gains.

The original sin, many argue, was the disbanding of the Iraqi army following the U.S. invasion in 2003, which toppled the country's long-ruling dictator Saddam Hussein. As my colleague Liz Sly reported in a lengthy expose, military officers belonging to Hussein's Baath party — a nominally secular institution — eventually emerged as the key figures

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: anbar; iraq; iraqiarmy; isis; ramadi; waronterror
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1 posted on 05/19/2015 1:44:38 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Wouldn’t work. Both ISIS and the Baath party are Sunni.


2 posted on 05/19/2015 1:48:27 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (A free society canÂ’t let the parameters of its speech be set by murderous extremists.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because it’s full of Iraqis?


3 posted on 05/19/2015 1:53:33 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just spitballing here, but.....bush’s fault?


4 posted on 05/19/2015 1:54:15 PM PDT by Stand W ("Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the WAR ROOM!")
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To: SeekAndFind

Premature withdrawal is as dangerous in war as it is in sex.


5 posted on 05/19/2015 1:58:34 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In a perfect world this would end with the last Sunni and Shite dying in a Mexican standoff. Delenda est Islam.


6 posted on 05/19/2015 2:01:18 PM PDT by Joe Miner
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To: SeekAndFind

Do the various tribes over there believe in Iraq the way that we believe (or used to believe) in America? I think not.

We’re well on our way to tribalism right here in the USA.


7 posted on 05/19/2015 2:02:40 PM PDT by jtal (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle ....)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ok the French are officially off the surrender monkey hook.


8 posted on 05/19/2015 2:03:30 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SeekAndFind

You think North American and European
countries are corrupt? Yes, but I’ve
lived overseas. Most of the world is
out to grab whatever they can for
themselves. Who wants to die for
those guys’ retirement homes in
South Florida?


9 posted on 05/19/2015 2:19:27 PM PDT by WKTimpco
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To: SeekAndFind
The reason the Iraqi army is losing is because on one hand it is being led by some officers who are coordinating with ISIS and wish to transfer American weapons to ISIS.

On the other hand, the Obama Administration wants to wipe out any loyal, on ISIS radical Sunni Iraqi Military to pave the way for Iran to take over.

The Obama game plan is to divide Iraq into the Sunni sector controlled by ISIS al -Qaeda/ Muslim Brotherhood radicals and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards dominated Shiite Radicals in the Shiite sectors of Iraq.

The loyal Iraqi troops are caught in the crossfire.

10 posted on 05/19/2015 2:19:33 PM PDT by rdcbn
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“Do the various tribes over there believe in Iraq the way that we believe (or used to believe) in America? I think not.”

Nope, “Iraq” was an idea imposed on them by the British and maintained by not very scrupulous governments. They may not prefer whatever uncertain alternative happens after “Iraq” though, that’s probably the best we can hope fo.


11 posted on 05/19/2015 2:21:17 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: WKTimpco

Hmm, the way you formatted that makes it look like you were writing a haiku :)


12 posted on 05/19/2015 2:22:41 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SeekAndFind

They had too much of the Obama war lessons of leading from behind.


13 posted on 05/19/2015 2:23:27 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SeekAndFind

You can buy people willing to wear a uniform and collect a paycheck.

You can’t buy a willingness to fight.


14 posted on 05/19/2015 2:25:20 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

You’re dealing with a culture that can pivot on a dime depending on a situation, which way the wind is blowing. If the wind were blowing against IS, they would go that way.


15 posted on 05/19/2015 2:31:22 PM PDT by lurk
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To: SeekAndFind

“”The ones to be blamed for this are the government and the local authorities in Ramadi,” said a police colonel who fled the city on Sunday, in an interview with the Guardian. “The army don’t have the fighting spirit. They were there waiting for the Islamic State to attack. They are poorly equipped compared to the Islamic State. We are fighting with guns and pistols while the Islamic State has Humvees and IEDs and suicide bombers.””

Well, I can see they don’t have a fighting spirit but the Humvees, weapons and tanks were once Iraqi before the Iraqi army threw them away in their haste to quit the battlefield.


16 posted on 05/19/2015 3:04:37 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: SeekAndFind

With rare exceptions, Arab nations fail to develop and maintain modern armies. Among other common failings, Arab armies scorn realistic training, technical expertise, maintenance, and logistics, do not have an effective NCO corps, are top heavy with officers, and are riddled with corruption and political cliques.


17 posted on 05/19/2015 3:13:16 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: SeekAndFind
When you have a CinC who has never commanded anything before his current office, you get a Charlie Foxtrot.

5.56mm

18 posted on 05/19/2015 3:15:05 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: SeekAndFind

Stalin and his thugs knew how to keeps pukes fighting in the front. Behind the front line was another line ready to shoot anyone who retreated.


19 posted on 05/19/2015 3:24:19 PM PDT by WMarshal (“A man’s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot box, jury box, and the cartridge" - F. Douglas)
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To: SeekAndFind

One problem is that the notion of Iraq as a nation is false- at best, it was a region within the Ottoman Empire carved out by the League of Nations and doled out to some Arabs as part of the spoil of WWI. The region itself has spent more time as part of some empire or other than not, and it is sort of hard to have a sense of nationhood when no real nation exists there.


20 posted on 05/19/2015 3:40:48 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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