Posted on 05/13/2015 7:58:34 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
After months of wrangling, pro-life politicians and outside organizations praised the House for passing HR. 36, the "Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act," which aims to ban most abortions after 20 weeks.
The final vote was 242-184, with one Republican voting "present." Four Democrats voted for the bill, and four Republicans against it.
“I think America is at its best when we are standing up for the least among us," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-SC, said in a statement released after the vote. "This debate is long overdue." The senator is expected to introduce similar legislation in the Senate.
The vote took place on the two-year anniversary of the murder conviction of late-term abortionist Kermit Gosnell, and was something pro-life groups had pushed for several months. Rep. Mike Kelly, a Republican from Gosnell's state of Pennsylvania, invoked the convict in comments on the House floor just before the vote took place.
"Scientific evidence now shows that unborn babies can feel pain by 20 weeks post-fertilization, and likely even earlier," said Kelly. "A late term abortion is an excruciatingly painful and inhumane act against children waiting to be born and their mothers."
Citing concern for the safety of women - "women terminating pregnancies at 20 weeks are 35 times more likely to die from abortion than they are in the first trimester, and 91 times more likely to die from abortion at 21 weeks or beyond," according to Kelly - the congressman said that "overwhelmingly, most Americans...support legislation to protect these innocent people."
(Excerpt) Read more at lifesitenews.com ...
Yeah, I know. The Democrats always laugh at the complete fecklessness of NRTL.
And then their lobbyists head out for drinks together after work. Time to raise a glass to “the industry”!
Louisiana is one of the few states where most of the Democrats oppose abortion; some in Arkansas too. But in most states, a Democrats would blacken his opponent’s eye over abortion “rights”, as they call it.
It would be comical if not for the fact that they are engaged in the most brutal and systematic genocide in history.
NRTL and PP/NARAL are not enemies, they are rivals in same way that Alabama and Auburn are. Any bitterness they may have for each other pales in comparison to the extremely lucrative Faustian arrangement that they've made. They have pocketed billions talking about the pros and cons of mass murder.
Even a Human Life Amendment would be ignored by the popular judiciary that the American people actually think safeguards “their rights”.
You’re right, but it should be pointed out that we already have two “human life amendments”:
“No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.”
— The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution
“No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
— The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
All of our state requirements contain the same equal protection requirements for every innocent person within their jurisdictions.
” This is just another “and then you can kill the baby law” designed to assist in fundraising for Big Murder and ProLife, Inc.; “
Another “ follow the money” scam, but written in innocent blood. Disgusting!
Today’s American Minute with Bill Federer. The whole piece is wonderful, but the last part applies very directly to the crucial topic under discussion on this thread:
President Calvin Coolidge warned in a speech given MAY 15, 1926, at the College of William and Mary, in Williamsburg, Virginia:
“But there is another...recent development... the greatly disproportionate influence of organized minorities.
Artificial propaganda, paid agitators, selfish interests, all impinge upon members of legislative bodies to force them to represent special elements rather than the great body of their constituency.
When they are successful, minority rule is established...
...The result is an extravagance on the part of the Government which is ruinous to the people and a multiplicity of regulations and restrictions for the conduct of all kinds of necessary business, which becomes little less than oppressive...”
Coolidge continued:
“No plan of centralization has ever been adopted which did not result in bureaucracy, tyranny, inflexibility, reaction, and decline.
Of all forms of government, those administered by bureaus are about the least satisfactory to an enlightened and progressive people. Being irresponsible they become autocratic...
Unless bureaucracy is constantly resisted it breaks down representative government and overwhelms democracy.
It...sets up the pretense of having authority over everybody and being responsible to nobody...”
Coolidge added:
“We must also recognize that the national administration is not and cannot be adjusted to the needs of local government...
The States should not be induced by coercion or by favor to surrender the management of their own affairs.
The Federal Government ought to resist the tendency to be loaded up with duties which the States should perform.
It does not follow that because something ought to be done the National Government ought to do it...
...I want to see the policy adopted by the States of discharging their public functions so faithfully that instead of an extension on the part of the Federal Government there can be a contraction...
The principles of government have the same need to be fortified, reinforced, and supported that characterize the principles of religion.”
Calvin Coolidge stated at the unveiling of Equestrian Statue of Bishop Francis Asbury, October 15, 1924, Washington, DC:
“There are only two main theories of government in the world.
One rests on righteousness, the other rests on force. One appeals to reason, the other appeals to the sword. One is exemplified in a republic, the other is represented by a despotism.
The history of government on this earth has been almost entirely a history of the rule of force held in the hands of a few. Under our Constitution, America committed itself to...the power in the hands of the people...
...Our government rests upon religion. It is from that source that we derive our reverence for truth and justice, for equality and liberty, and for the rights of mankind.
Unless the people believe in these principles they cannot believe in our government.”
Coolidge’s reference to “rule of force held in the hands of a few” was the view of the German political philosopher Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770-1831), who stated: ‘The State is god walking on earth.’
After Napoleon had overrun Europe so easily, Prussian King Frederick William III embraced Hegel’s philosophy of strengthening the German state.
Hegel wrote in Philosophy of History (Jacob Loewenberg, ed., Hegel: Selections (New York: C. Scribner’s Sons, 1929, p. 398):
“The origin of a State involves imperious lordship on the one hand, instinctive submission on the other.
Obedience - Lordly power, and the fear inspired by a ruler - in itself implies some degree of voluntary connection...it is not the isolated will of individuals that prevails; individual pretensions are relinquished, and the general will is the essential bond of political union.”
“Hegelian dialectics” is the method of concentrating power by first creating a crisis.
Described as a triangle: one corner is the THESIS, the opposite corner it the ANTITHESIS, and the top corner is the SYNTHESIS.
In other words, create a problem that is real bad and people will readily surrender their freedoms to settle for an answer that is half as bad.
Each SYNTHESIS then becomes the new THESIS, and the process is repeated until all power is voluntarily relinquished by the people into the hands of a dictator.
Hegel wrote in Philosophy of Law (Section 279):
“When it is contrasted with the sovereignty of the monarch, the phrase ‘sovereignty of the people’ turns out to be merely one of those confused notions which arise from the wild idea of the ‘people’. Without its monarch ... the people are just a formless multitude.”
Hegel wrote in Philosophy of Law (Jacob Loewenberg, ed., Hegel: Selections, NY: C. Scribner’s Sons, 1929, pp. 457, 461-62):
“The many...whom one chooses to call the people, are indeed a collection, but only as a multitude, a formless mass, whose movement and action would be elemental, irrational, savage, and terrible...
Public opinion deserves...to be esteemed as much as to be despised...
The definition of the freedom of the press as freedom to say and write what one pleases... such a view belongs to the uneducated crudity and superficiality of naive thinking.”
Hegel influenced Darwin, who referred to Hegel’s dialectics in support the theory of species evolving.
Hegel influenced Karl Marx, who was member of the “Young Hegelians” at the University of Berlin.
Hegel influenced Adolph Hitler, who wrote Mein Kampf (My Struggle).
Both Communism and Nazism intentionally fomented unrest and anarchy which resulted in power being consolidated into the hands of the state.
The practical implementation of Hegel’s theory was to identify tension ‘fault lines’ in a society, fan these perceived injustices into flames causing public emotions reach the boiling point.
Once crisis breaks out, everyone is desperate to have the anarchy stopped so they willing relinquish their rights and freedoms to the state and dictator.
Calvin Coolidge gave insight into America’s success at maintaining order in his address at the 150th Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, Philadelphia, July 5, 1926:
“The principles...which went into the Declaration of Independence...are found in...the sermons...of the early colonial clergy who were earnestly undertaking to instruct their congregations in the great mystery of how to live.
They preached equality because they believed in the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man. They justified freedom by the text that we are all created in the divine image...
...Placing every man on a plane where he acknowledged no superiors, where no one possessed any right to rule over him, he must inevitably choose his own rulers through a system of self-government...
In order that they might have freedom to express these thoughts and opportunity to put them into action, WHOLE CONGREGATIONS WITH THEIR PASTORS MIGRATED TO THE COLONIES...”
Coolidge concluded:
“The Declaration of Independence is a great spiritual document...
Equality, liberty, popular sovereignty, the rights of man - these are...ideals. They have their source and their roots in the religious convictions. They belong to the unseen world.
Unless the faith of the American in these religious convictions is to endure, the principles of our Declaration will perish. We can not continue to enjoy the result if we neglect and abandon the cause.”
President Calvin Coolidge stated on September 21, 1924, in an address to the Holy Name Society in Washington, D.C.:
“Equality is recognized...from belief in the brotherhood of man through the fatherhood of God...
It seems perfectly plain that the right to equality has for its foundation reverence for God.
If we could imagine that swept away our American government could not long survive.”
“The practical implementation of Hegel’s theory was to identify tension ‘fault lines’ in a society, fan these perceived injustices into flames causing public emotions reach the boiling point.
Once crisis breaks out, everyone is desperate to have the anarchy stopped so they willing relinquish their rights and freedoms to the state and dictator.”
Thank you. What a great read!
I’m e mailing this to my minister, as I know he would appreciate it. President Calvin Coolidge is my favorite POTUS, as well a man who warned us what would happen if we abandoned our principles and faith
BTTT for today!
Nope. Nobody is Codifying anything.
I just pointed out the original Legal Limitations of Roe v Wade that have been conveniently ignored for over 40 years.
This bill codifies explicit permission to kill babies. All of them.
Any law that violates the Constitution or the natural law is null and void.
And Roe doesn’t even rise to the level of law. It’s nothing but a lawless court opinion in an individual case.
There are no limitations on Roe until a child passes through a birth canal. That's because the Blackmun court played pretend with the personhood of the child.
The "leaders" of the "pro-life move3ment" admit to the obvious natural fact that it's a person, and then pass "laws" like this one that pretend that these particular persons are not protected by the explicit, imperative requirements of the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments.
the thread gets high-jacked by people with no solutions. Nothing can be done today that suits them. (Of course, they would tell us to join their little cult.)
So we must sit and wait.
As an example, look at Connecticut. certainly not a great example:
about 1% of the adult population is politically right-to-life. Meaning they really will show up on primary day to vote for the pro-life candidate or oppose the NARAL radical running in the GOP primary (or even the DEM primary).
Now, if half of those are dissidents, who oppose the legislation backed by the major pro-life groups ... we are down to 1/2 of 1 percent.
Since this is Poli-tics ... 1/2 of one percent means we are toast.
Am I disagreeing with you?
It’s been 40 Years and the Left has convinced this Country that Abortion is perfectly fine up to the Moment of Birth, which Roe v Wade does not say. I was just pointing it out.
I am not saying that I support Roe v Wade as I am beginning to think you are implying.
If you’re trolling for an Argument, move on. Tell your Elected Representatives what you think so they can change the Law.
Have a good day, we’re done my FRiend.
But now they DO have their law and their law says that you can kill a baby for any reason up through the 20th week of pregnancy and any time thereafter if a few caveats are met.
If that isn't codification of abortion, I don't know what is.
And the "Right" has convinced them that it's perfectly fine, as long as they murder them on time and by the rules.
Which is kind of the point here.
It's not a "high-jack." This is a conservative discussion forum. We can't help it if you can't handle the discussion.
Nothing can be done today that suits them.
The solution is for those who represent us to keep the most important obligation of their oath, which is to provide equal protection for the right to life of every person.
Is that too complicated for you?
i’ll make point A, B, C, D, E
I’ll hafta do it piece.
A. “All show” ... “This was nothing more than a symbolic act.” If someone argues that this is ineffective because it will fail in the Senate or faces a veto, they should say so. But it is false to call it “symbolic”. The alternative is a bill with some real teeth, one that will fail to get out of committee or fail on the House floor. That wouldn’t be “symbolic”? Ok, bills that pass are symbolic because they cannot become law ... bills that fail are not symbolic .... back to drawing board with that concept. Right-to-Lifers cannot support legislation unless they are assured that it will become law? When did anyone agree to that?
I never said that. You’re twisting.
A.
#53 doesn’t mention you.
see #5
see #16
B. A sound argument would be that it would be better to promote a bill with real teeth, even if it fails in committee, even if you cannot force a vote in committee.
-A Discharge Petition could be started.
-a stronger advocate than Rep. Trent Franks should be sought to captain legislation.
There are pros and cons to that argument. I’m on the pro side for stronger advocates.
C. One could argue that these bills belong in state legislatures, away from the corrupting national interests ... that 50 states allow for a variety of proposals and better opportunities for both failed attempts and successful ones.
I haven’t gotten to D or E
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