Posted on 05/13/2015 4:02:22 PM PDT by OttawaFreeper
As the fallout from the Deflategate scandal continues to damage Tom Brady's reputation, there's one former quarterback who doesn't think deflating footballs is sports' biggest issue.
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Every 7 to 12 years, somebody wheels out Joe Namath to make a comment on something current in the football world. He makes his statement, then he sort of disappears again. I seem to recall a few years back, with Joe making a lot of inappropriate comments the women did not like. He always seems to be only so much in focus. Jose Canseco is the same way for another generation.
Very well written article on the Physics of deflategate:
http://drewfustin.com/deflategate/
WHy THis guy wasn’t hired instead of Wells....... whatever.
Learn to excerpt.
Joe was one heck of a QB and I don’t think he is dumb.
On the other hand, he did not seem to have ever been wise.
Thanks for the replies. I am a casual football fan and I was curious particularly Namath’s comments and what peoples’ opinions would be about them.
Brady and the Pats did better in the 2nd half with the fully inflated balls. People just love hating on the top dog. FWIW I’m an Eagles fan and strongly dislike the Pats. They beat us in the Super Bowl.
P.S. F Donovan McNabb. Chunky soup eating fatty...
There is a neurological center in his name in Florida.
Interesting. I did not know that.
Ole Tom didnt go to the whitehouse. He must be cruicified.
When this controversy first broke, someone (MSNBC?) had Joe Thiesmann in to comment. He ran down to Redskins Park, had them deflate some balls and threw them. He said that he couldn’t tell the difference.
Most Jet fans are happy to point out that the Pats’ successes are tainted by a culture of cheating. They wont agree with Namath’s comments.
Nice find!
Not noted is the junky (Chinese?) gages used by the nfl!
Why, that lack-of-fumbles data almost suggests that the Patriots have been engaging in nefarious activities with footballs going back to the 2007 season!
| Category | 2006 NE Season | 2007 NE Season |
| Overall fumbles | 31 (27 regular season) | 17 (14 regular season) |
| Rushing fumbles by Patriot running backs | 7 (19 games, including 3 playoffs) | 0 (19 games, including 3 playoffs) |
| Fumble rate per game | Avg team: 1.5 vs. NE's 1.6 | Avg team: 1.6 vs. NE's 0.8 (Less fumbles by half!) Note: Even indoor based teams averaged 1.55 fumbles per game) |
| Brady's Completion % | 61.8% | 68.9% |
| Fumbles by Teams Per Game | ||||
| 2003-2006 NE | 2003-2006 Other 31 teams | 2007-2014 NE | 2007-2014 Other 23 Outdoor teams | 2007-2014 Indoor-based teams (8) |
| 1.46 | 1.6 | 0.96 [this is improvement of 1 less fumble every 2 games vs. previous NE teams] | 1.46 [this means one more fumble every 2 games than NE] | 1.29 [this means one more fumble every 3 games than NE] |
Why, that lack-of-fumbles data almost suggests that the Patriots have been engaging in nefarious activities with footballs going back to the 2007 season!
So, nefarious, in fact, that the Patriots' DEFENSE fumbled the ball...
...more often in (take your pick which of these following seasons) – 2003, 2002, 2001, 1999 than the Patriots' running backs did rushing the ball in 2007 – even including all three playoff games?
...That Patriot DEFENSE fumbled the ball as often in 2001 as the Patriots' running backs did rushing the ball for the entire 2007 and 2008 seasons combined (35 games including three playoff games)?!
...That Patriot DEFENSE fumbled the ball as much combining regular seasons 1999-2003 as did the Patriots running backs' rushing the ball combining regular seasons 2007-2008 and 2010-2011?
Nefarious indeed! Shenanigans indeed!
The whole flap is Sports Presstiute welfare to provide a job in the off season.
If there was punishment it should be in the form of penalties on the field.
Breaking the under inflation rule is no different then breaking the rules by intentionally fouling in college ball
Easy BB emphasis not fumbling the ball benching/cutting players who fumble. Not running as much as other teams.
Since you refuse to consider the simple situation about ball pressure your team must lose to the Pats a lot you mad bro?
Do you just make things up wholecloth?
Go to espn yourself...enter the season you want & look for yourself...2007, for example...http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/year/2007
Attempts wise...
2007: Pats ran more than 23 other teams & tied w/another
2008: Pats ran more than 27 other teams
2009: Pats ran more than 24 other teams
2010: Pats ran more than 22 other teams
2011: Anomaly...cause I believe this was yr Brady was out...hurt...ran more than 13 other teams...within 10 attempts of another 4 teams
2012: Pats ran more than 31 other teams
2013: Pats ran more than 23 other teams
2014: Pats ran more than 20 other teams...
Beyond that, only 23 percent of fumbles occur on nonQB running plays...and 21 percent occur on receptions...so you can't reduce this to the rb rushing game...(nice try)
Successful offenses simply garner more plays...so not only have Pats often ran more than other teams...same with passing...
So...your claim is that BB... Bill Bellicheat...turned the Pre 07 fumble rate around by cutting or benching players who fumble?
This is answerable from three angles:
IF THAT was the case, Brady has ALWAYS been the Pats' top fumbler...Bellicheat would have dumped Brady or benched him long ago!
(B) Who did the Pats get rid after the zerosix season?
(C) Chart comparing 20 specific players who either played with NE before 07 and thereafter; or who were with a NE team sometime 07 to 14 and compare their fumble stats to OTHER teams either during same period or before 07.
The latter (C) breakdown is here:
20 player fumble comparison chart
I'll return to (C) after covering (B):
So...who did the Patriots dump after the zerosix season?
Answer: RB Corey Dillon, who retired. But to contend he was bumped because he was fumble happy belies the stats. He only fumbled 3x in last 2 years in which he had 445 touches...1 fumble per 115 touches is not much...
The Pats also dumped Patrick Pass after that season as a backup...but his 4 fumbles in six Pat seasons not an earthshattering contribution...
(C) Back to the chart...
If your claim was so, then Kevin Faulk...who fumbled a fair amount for the Pats 1999 to 2006, should have been on BB's sudden bench chart...yet for seasons 07, 08 and 09, when Faulk suddenly greatly REDUCED his fumbles, he had more attempts each season than for 01, 02, 04, 05, and 06.
Later, BenJarvus GreenEllis had ZERO fumbles in almost six hundred touches for the Pats...and BB dumped him to the Bengals.
Look at the players on the chart...
...RB wise...
* Sammy Morris got his fumbles for 2 other teams for 7 yrs...THEN came to the Pats for his final two seasons...fumbled much less.
* Fred Taylor...11 yrs with Jacksonville...then finished 2 yrs with Pats...his fumble ratio was consistent thru both teams.
* LaMont Jordan...08 season with Pats after 7 yrs with 2 other teams...only fumbled once for Pats before moving onto Denver
* LeGarrette Blount...came to NE after 3 yrs with TB & actually greatly improved fumble ratio...didn't fumble at all in lone Pat season...2014
* Heath Evans...no fumbles for Pats before moving on
* Laurence Maroney...yes, had more fumbles for Pats in 09...but MORE fumbles in 07 to 14 era doesn't explain why Pats had LESS fumbles in that era...by comparison only fumbled once in rookie ohsix season...
* Danny Woodhead...only 1 fumble every 130 touches with pats is pretty good...and his regular season ratio was even better...1 of those 3 fumbles over several yrs was in a playoff game...
Since receivers contribute over 20 percent of fumbles, their touch comparisons are relevant...
...Per the chart...
* Deion Branch, jabar Gaffney, Brandon Lloyd, Donte Stallworth zero fumbles while in Pat uniforms so not like BB wanted them to move on for that lame cited reason...
* Amendola had more fumbles in the NFC...then came over to Pats where he greatly improved (1 in 42 touches vs. 1 in 92)...btw...special teams' fumbles were excluded in this analysis because that's where neutral balls were used
* Lafell Edwards' first year with Pats was 2014...so that comparison actually runs vs. earlier 4 yrs with Carolina.
* Tate only had 1 non special teams fumble with pats.
* Welker...HALF of his fumbles with Pats were special teams' related...therefore, as a receiver only 1 fumble in 127 touches with Pats was a pretty good ratio.
Pats 07 to 14...4700 touches...only 32 fumbles...1 fumble per 145 touches...an unheard of number!!!
Those same players either in a Pat uniform pre 07 or playing for other teams: 10,107 touches...116 fumbles...1 fumble per 87 touches...
So why were these SAME EXACT players 67 % better fumble wise either playing for other teams...or, if they played for Pats before & after 06, why so much better after 06?
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