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‘You’re Fired — Now Train Your Replacement’
National Review ^ | April 28, 2015 | Ian Smith

Posted on 04/28/2015 8:10:09 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn

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To: gimme1ibertee
Every single American worker should just walk. Get up and walk out.

Most could not afford to give up the severance package. So...they comply. Principles are expensive things when you have a family to feed and clothe.

21 posted on 04/28/2015 8:58:01 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("It is never untimely to yank the rope of freedom's bell." - - Frank Capra)
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To: SharpRightTurn

I’ve seen it first hand. But a corporation’s duty is to it’s shareholders, not it’s workers.


22 posted on 04/28/2015 9:18:43 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: cuban leaf
I have a co-worker in another state that suffered the indignity of being forced to train her replacement on pain of being terminated no severance pay if she failed to comply. I'm less concerned about that happening to me. The nature of my job is complex troubleshooting when the best and brightest can't figure it out. It's not steady work. It arrives in the form of unpredictable crises. I have to track down "filler" between crises.
23 posted on 04/28/2015 9:25:41 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: SharpRightTurn

This has been going on longer than since 1990. For example, I knew a Texas Mexican who was a repair tech at the GTE plant in El Paso. GTE shut down that facility and moved part of the operations across the river into Juarez. Tex was required to train guys taking his job. He related that:

” I took as long as I could. I left out as much as I could. I told them as much wrong as I could”. “F**** the bastards,they were taking my job.”

This was around 1985 or 86.


24 posted on 04/28/2015 9:32:21 AM PDT by Rockpile
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To: Wolfie

not it’s workers

That is why the CEOs, CFOs and other top executives always suffer so greatly.


25 posted on 04/28/2015 9:35:19 AM PDT by Rockpile
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To: dfwgator

I hope all the replacements were trained correctly. I know my limits and I am NOT an instructor.


26 posted on 04/28/2015 9:55:19 AM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: RJS1950
They come here to American schools to be sure that they have a direct portal to an H1B and many of them cheat to get A’s and overstate their experience and abilities to get that position.

I would be willing to bet that few if any of the offshore replacements ever saw the inside of an American university. If they had they wouldn't be coding for a utility, they'd be in Seattle or Silicon Valley. These are most likely graduates of second or third tier Indian technical schools.

27 posted on 04/28/2015 10:05:32 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: dfwgator
If you want your severance, you train them...No Train, No Severance.

Given the circumstances it makes you wonder just how good that training was, doesn't it? Or if the soon-to-be-ex-employees snuck a few surprises in the code that will be hatching some time in the future?

28 posted on 04/28/2015 10:07:59 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Myrddin

I moved from programmer to business analyst (BA) about 13 years ago because BA is communication intensive. Foreigners that have not bothered to speak English fluently (99.99% of them) need not apply.


29 posted on 04/28/2015 10:08:37 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Parmenio; ColdOne; Yossarian; knittnmom; sf4dubya; Mr. Peabody; wally_bert; dowcaet; ...
H-1B ping. Let me know if you're not on the list and want to be added (or are and want to be removed).
30 posted on 04/28/2015 10:40:44 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: cuban leaf
I moved from programmer to business analyst (BA) about 13 years ago because BA is communication intensive. Foreigners that have not bothered to speak English fluently (99.99% of them) need not apply.

Until/unless H-1B is fixed, those potentially affected need to make themselves less replaceable.

31 posted on 04/28/2015 10:47:35 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: DoodleDawg

No, they are taking their Indian diplomas and coming here for undergraduate and graduate degrees. Are they attending bigger schools, no. They are attending small to medium sized schools that are legitimate and good academic institutions. They aren’t going for Silicon Valley positions, they are going for the average, day to day IT positions where the grunt work is done like handling the software and infrastructure that your insurance or medical providers use and maintain.

I have personal, up close experience with this on a daily basis.


32 posted on 04/28/2015 11:04:54 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RedStateRocker

Training your replacement is not part of your job. They cannot say do this or you in effect quit. Where’s the limit on that? Mow my lawn and clean my toilet until your departure or you effectively quit? It’s bikini day every day for you until your last day, or you quit? They would have to prove anything they ask you to do is your job or standard practice, and if it is and it is a questionable practice, they could be in trouble. If they fire you for doing something that is not your job it is a wrongful dismissal and you are entitle to a hearing. You may also sue outside the unemployment department in civil court. Having to train your replacement could raise a lot of sympathy with a jury.

Regardless, I am gone. I do not have a price for knowingly selling myself of selling my character (Sorry. I do not mean to imply anything toward you personally. I do not know you or the situation and what I am doing is clearly arm chair qbing).

If I am going to lose I might contemplate hanging around to mis-train someone. Sort of like making me bake a cake for a “gay wedding.” That ain’t gonna be the best cake. Why would you want someone training someone under duress? Do they really imagine you are going to sing the praises of the company? Even if you don’t say anything specific, a trainee has to pick up on a funny vibe, they have to realize that that will be them one day.

The other odd thing is most employers want you gone quickly. They worry about reprisals. Funny that isn’t the case here.

Know you are better off without this employer. You do not want any part of anyone who uses people like that. It is sort of like the whistle blower law. People worry if they blow the whistle they will lose their job, as though being part of something illegal or immoral is in anyway ok. I have worked for people who were doing illegal things. I would be happy to lose the job if I hadn’t quit before I notified the authorities.


33 posted on 04/28/2015 11:38:44 AM PDT by rey
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To: SharpRightTurn

So basically this is Ted Kennedy’s fault.


34 posted on 04/28/2015 11:42:26 AM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: SharpRightTurn

This has been going on since Y2K. Nothing new and Congress writes the laws, not POTUS.


35 posted on 04/28/2015 11:43:31 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: rey
On a parallel note, NEC sent documentation staff to shadow our non-management telco staff in the central office. The aim was to acquaint them with normal job practices so the documentation written for the NEC switch was couched in familiar language. The staff carry a portable handset with alligator clips that can attach to a tip/ring pair on the frame for circuit checks. Sometimes they inadvertently "butt-in" to a line in use. That "oops" gave rise to calling the handset the "butt-in" or "butt-in-ski". The Japanese documentation specialist paid attention. Sure enough, the office NEC switch docs cited proper use of the "butt-in-ski" for performing circuit tests.
36 posted on 04/28/2015 11:52:52 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: gimme1ibertee
Been in IT for almost 40 years. Could work longer, but refuse to and will exit in the next couple years. Tired of putting up with people with names I can't pronounce, with english as a second language, calling and demanding I do their job for them because they lied about their skills on their resume, and now they have a project to do that they have no idea how to do.

Network Troubleshooting? Forget it! couldn't find their butts with both hands or a failing device if smoke was coming out of it...

37 posted on 04/28/2015 11:56:53 AM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase
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To: Mercat

This is part of the reason the $26,000,000 that Bill Gates gave the Clintons slush fund was for.


38 posted on 04/28/2015 12:14:05 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: rey

At the time (late 1970’s) the attitude around here was there is only one part of any job description that actually matters “and other duties as assigned”.

Just the way things were. And since this was a big employer in my area, pissing them off would have been a very bad thing to do. But then, being 19 and needing to work to go to college I didn’t have a hell of a lot of leverage, either.


39 posted on 04/28/2015 12:19:35 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: SharpRightTurn
‘You’re Fired — Now Train Your Replacement’

No.

Bye.

See how easy that was?

40 posted on 04/28/2015 12:20:52 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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