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Why we don't know how many Americans are killed by police (+video)
CSM ^ | 04/10/2015 | By Harry Bruinius

Posted on 04/10/2015 6:50:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

As the nation grapples with the latest incident of a police officer fatally shooting an unarmed black man – this time in South Carolina – many have asked a simple question: How often does this happen?

The answer is: No one knows for sure, exactly. Even the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Uniform Crime Report, considered the gold standard of crime data since the 1930s, is in many ways out of date and flawed. The nation’s 18,000 law enforcement agencies are not required to compile data on officer-involved shootings.

At a time when shootings in North Charleston, S.C.; Ferguson, Mo.; and Madison, Wis., are raising awareness about the issue, such data would be crucially important to understanding where problem areas might be and how to address them, say many activists and analysts. Indeed, other police reforms, such as body cameras, independent investigations, and reforms to the grand jury system would all be of only limited value without transparent statistics, they say.

Ultimately, the only way forward, they add, is a federal law compelling police departments to compile the data and send it to the FBI. While there are no signs such a law is imminent, an array of smaller moves – together with the growing chorus of criticism – suggests there are the beginnings of movement on the issue.

(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: police; shootings
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To: Pirate Ragnar

>>Just wondering....how many police officers have been killed in the line of duty?<<

Not sure, but it’s pretty eerie when we’ve gotten to the point of counting casualties on either side...would you not agree?

Almost like the Vietnam body count reports.


21 posted on 04/10/2015 7:48:22 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: SeekAndFind

Good question... Anybody know the figures for how many cops have been killed by black people? Just curious.


22 posted on 04/10/2015 7:50:57 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: SeekAndFind

“Why we don’t know how many Americans are killed by police”

It would also be interesting to see how many white folks are murdered by black thugs every year.


23 posted on 04/10/2015 7:54:44 AM PDT by kenmcg
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To: rarestia
Chief Craig was opposed to armed citizens during his 20 years in LA but a stint in Maine changed his outlook.

A great radio interview with him from last summer.

One-on-One With Detroit Police Chief James Craig

BTW He's also asking to end federal oversight of the Detroit police department.
24 posted on 04/10/2015 7:56:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: driftless2
But to pretend that thousands of innocent, average citizens are terrorized and threatened with their lives by the leos daily is preposterous.
Couldn't agree more. Yeah, there are the few who "muck" it up for the rest, but most put their lives on the line every day and I for one am grateful.
Imagine what a country we'd have if there were no criminals.
25 posted on 04/10/2015 7:56:43 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: kenmcg

What cracks me up is the assumption that cops feel free to fire at blacks.

I’ve got a neighbor who is a former Detroit cop and he says that most cops are probably quicker to fire on a white suspect because it doesn’t result in the same immediate outrage. However he points out that whites don’t do the typical things that might result in a cop firing his weapon.


26 posted on 04/10/2015 8:04:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: cripplecreek

However he points out that whites don’t do the typical things that might result in a cop firing his weapon.


27 posted on 04/10/2015 8:17:00 AM PDT by knarf
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To: driftless2
Have you EVER, in your life, had an encounter with the police that was pleasant?

Even after I got mugged and beaten, the cop acted like *I* was the problem.

Officers friendly have decided that we the public they are supposed to serve are their enemy.

This will not end well for anyone.


28 posted on 04/10/2015 8:23:27 AM PDT by Don W ( When most riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When Whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: Don W

Maybe it’s dumb luck (so to speak) but “most” officers I have actually met have been professional and not gratuitously nasty. I have met a jerkly hard boiled character or two as well.


29 posted on 04/10/2015 8:26:58 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Maybe luck, maybe your police are truly professional. I have run into a few of them, but around here they are as rare as hen’s teeth.

The vast majority of officers I encounter seem to think that anyone not wearing blue is to be demeaned, intimidated and treated like subhuman filth.


30 posted on 04/10/2015 8:30:47 AM PDT by Don W ( When most riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When Whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: cripplecreek
Anything to federalize the police.

And give us an American version of the Gestapo, yeah that'll be much better. /s

31 posted on 04/10/2015 8:32:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Pirate Ragnar

102 in 2013—the last year for complete stats. There are fewer police deaths now than since 1944. The trend has been downward since 1985. This come home alive is pure hype—no offense, but there are many more dangerous professions...


32 posted on 04/10/2015 8:39:31 AM PDT by antidisestablishment ( Everyone is equal in the state of desperation. GOP delenda est!)
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To: SeekAndFind

What’s the score in Chicago?.


33 posted on 04/10/2015 8:40:25 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yeah I haven’t met more than a couple of cops who were jerks.


34 posted on 04/10/2015 8:45:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: antidisestablishment; All
Source for Police Deaths
35 posted on 04/10/2015 8:46:06 AM PDT by antidisestablishment ( Everyone is equal in the state of desperation. GOP delenda est!)
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To: Resolute Conservative

No, shootings are the #1 by a good margin. Traffic accidents (of all types) come in second.


36 posted on 04/10/2015 8:50:35 AM PDT by antidisestablishment ( Everyone is equal in the state of desperation. GOP delenda est!)
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To: Don W
Yes, actually. The last cop who stopped me was almost apologetic and let me off with a warning. In fact the two times a cop who stopped me was a little too nasty, I still only got a warning. Plus, I had a friend who was a cop.

If you've had all bad encounters with cops, maybe it might be you. No excuse for cops out of line, but to propose that all leos are thugs is ridiculous.

37 posted on 04/10/2015 9:06:37 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: driftless2

One thing that does bother me is cops who physically have no business being patrol officers.

I towered over the last cop I talked to and I’m an average 5 foot 9, 165 lbs. I had an easy 6 inches on the guy. I can see a cop like that left with no other recourse than potentially lethal force.

I’d really rather see all cops be 6 foot or taller and 180lbs. They at least have a fair shot at subduing a perp before resorting to greater force.


38 posted on 04/10/2015 9:27:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: Don W

Depends on the officer and a lot of times the department they work for I have found. My local city police department has a horrible reputation in the community and among other law enforcement agencies. The state police pretty much put one strike against any officer trying to join them from this department right off the bat. That being said what few encounters I have had with them have been positive or neutral. On the other hand I have friends who are not criminals, worst offense a speeding ticket who have had horrible encounters with this department.

On the other hand I live near a national park and no one I have talked to has had any good encounter with the Rangers that work that park, they are pretty much universally hated by the locals as arrogant, smart mouth pri*ks.

This treating people as us vs. them crap has the average person wanting nothing whatsoever to do with a police officer on or off duty. And worse the two sets of laws one for the people and one for those in government is really getting old fast and causing hatred for cops and government employees in general. They screw up, break the law, treat people like crap, hurt and kill them and they are not held accountable whether it is a cop or some bureaucratic puke at the VA.


39 posted on 04/10/2015 10:44:04 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: SeekAndFind

Let me guess,,,,The reason we do not have this meaningless statistic collated, is because we do not have an overall nationwide federal agency managing all aspects of local policing.

The only time the left loves body counts is like in Iraq, when they had a political agenda.

Imagine when you have a complaint against the local police. Now you can go to the Chief, many times directly. You can inflame the local papers. You can go to the city council and often get solid results.
Wait till it is a federal police. It’ll be like complaining to the IRS, the TSA, or the VA.


40 posted on 04/10/2015 6:17:55 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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