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On water, Big Ag should ante up, too
Sacramento Bee ^ | 04/04/2015

Posted on 04/05/2015 12:27:56 PM PDT by artichokegrower

As the rest of California comes to grips with the state’s historic new water mandates, there’s an elephant in the room. And it’s wearing a farmer’s hat

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; drought; farmers; jerrybrown; lofan; water
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To: BenLurkin

I live right in the heart of California Farm Land (Madera County). A person can only eat so many pistachios and almonds (Cash Crops), which are earmarked mostly for export anyway. These orchards are pumping water from deep wells (2000 feet+) 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.


21 posted on 04/05/2015 1:02:13 PM PDT by semaj
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To: artichokegrower
Israel made a desert bloom.

Just another reason for the Socialist, Liberal, Leftist, EcoLoony, neoFascist Kalifornicators to hate Israel with unbridled passion.

22 posted on 04/05/2015 1:13:47 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: artichokegrower

if you price it below market clearing levels, you will have shortages.

If you allow market prices, shortages disappear. When you have market prices, incentive is provided for development of new sources of water and the price acts as a disciplinary force against “waste.”

Most officials in government jurisdictions through out the globe fail to get this and will attempt to impose rationing when their below market price schemes on various commodities result in major shortages.


23 posted on 04/05/2015 1:14:36 PM PDT by all the best
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To: Thumper1960

California made a desert bloom better, and it is still blooming.


24 posted on 04/05/2015 1:24:34 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: justlurking; Thumper1960
Do the math: 40% of 18% is 4.5%.

7.2%, still a small number.

Yes, the farmers grow lots of food. But, they could use water more efficiently, and save a lot more than installing more low-flow showerheads.

Totally agree with this.

Israel made a desert bloom.

Yes, but they are famous for coming up with brilliant ways to use water more efficiently.

25 posted on 04/05/2015 1:39:25 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: artichokegrower
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Gov. Moonbean is surrendering to the millions of illegal immigrants who work on the farms, and are (illegally) active in the political process ...

Who is to say what the racial ethnicity percentages for those of convicted for "water crimes" ?

You already know the answer, and it won't be the ones with brown skin.

Don't fault me, "internet personal opinion searchers".

I simply speak a truth that you're also aware of, but that your "mortaged souls" are denied permission to speak.


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26 posted on 04/05/2015 1:45:41 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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To: artichokegrower

The Governor of California and his fellow global-warming fanatics have believed for decades that California would turn into a desert. So what did they expect except the increasingly dire drought conditions California is experiencing now?

Yet the Governor never expanded California’s reservoir system, let alone built desalinization plants, to help his constituents adapt to the new apocalyptic global-warming dystopia he claimed to know was upon us.

Global-warming fanatics also believe that conditions will inevitably get worse, so how will simply cutting down on water use, as the Governor has directed, do anything but create a downward spiral of fewer and fewer showers and toilet-flushings allowed until Californians leave the state in droves so they can begin to practice personal hygiene like civilized people again?


27 posted on 04/05/2015 1:51:53 PM PDT by Bluestocking
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To: artichokegrower

Government should just charge the same rate to all comers.

Let the market sort it out.


28 posted on 04/05/2015 1:52:03 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: justlurking

[But, they could use water more efficiently, and save a lot more than installing more low-flow showerheads.]

Farmers will need as much water as they can muster to keep ahead of the marijuana growers in California...

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2014/04/14/marijuana-cultivation-straining-california-water-supplies


29 posted on 04/05/2015 1:52:29 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: semaj

Your exactly right 10% of ALL water in California is used to grow one single crop almonds.

Why ? because it is so profitable. Vegetables, not so much and so these crops will lie fallow this year.


30 posted on 04/05/2015 2:04:29 PM PDT by Ocoeeman (Reformed Rocked Scientist)
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To: ansel12

I read that 10% of the water used goes to growing Almonds. I don’t know if that is true, and I am not anti-almonds they are good. But I don’t know if they represent the true cost when you factor in what everyone else has to do to subsidize them. If we need to cut 20% of usage, almond growers would account for half of the savings.

And that is always a problem - government mandates always end up distorting markets often in ways that are not obvious. If instead of making everyone change out their toilets they just charged the market price for water then the cost of Almonds would reflect that consumption.


31 posted on 04/05/2015 2:16:11 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Ocoeeman

Big sucker of water here are the Grape Farmers, and that is a luxury not a necessity as food is.


32 posted on 04/05/2015 2:17:29 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: monkeyshine

I don’t know, but if farming is using up 80% of California water, then I would sure like to learn more about how they got there, and what keeps them there, and if it is all being done legitimately and without corruption and subsidies, and such.


33 posted on 04/05/2015 2:33:10 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: ansel12

The difference is, Israel will continue to bloom and Kalifornia will succumb to the Liberal plan for self destruction and will revert to desert.


34 posted on 04/05/2015 2:45:11 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Thumper1960

No it won’t.

California is facing problems and is deteriorating, but it isn’t facing the apocalypse.


35 posted on 04/05/2015 2:57:56 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

And also stop developers from building in arid areas.


36 posted on 04/05/2015 3:00:18 PM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: artichokegrower

Here is a great analysis of California’s water problem.

http://www.city-journal.org/2015/cjc0402vdh.html


37 posted on 04/05/2015 3:07:03 PM PDT by JustAmy (Take a Cruz from Texas to DC!)
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To: Obadiah

Amen

I wonder how many are aware that California Agriculture feeds the nation.


38 posted on 04/05/2015 3:09:10 PM PDT by JustAmy (Take a Cruz from Texas to DC!)
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To: The Cajun

Dams should have been built in the 70’s and 80’s.


39 posted on 04/05/2015 3:10:51 PM PDT by JustAmy (Take a Cruz from Texas to DC!)
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To: BenLurkin
Water = food.

Yeah...that was MY first thought. Idiots.

40 posted on 04/05/2015 3:14:48 PM PDT by goodnesswins (I think we've reached PEAK TYRANNY now.....)
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