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Professor: Indiana RFRA ‘Fix’ Could Send Christians to Jail
Breitbart.com ^ | 04/02/2015 | Austin Ruse

Posted on 04/02/2015 11:01:19 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

The greatly anticipated “fix” to the Indiana religious freedom law has been released by the Indiana legislative committee, and it is far worse than conservatives feared.

According to law professor Mark Rienzi, the new fix will allow the state to prosecute Christians criminally for denying gay weddings their professional affirmation.

Rienzi, of the Becket Fund and Catholic University School of Law and who was lead attorney in the Hobby Lobby Supreme Court case that upheld a claim under the federal religious freedom law, said this would “criminalize religious objectors.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: 1a; 1stamendment; cronycapitalism; firstamendment; freedomofreligion; freeexerciseclause; gaystapo; gopestablishment; homosexualagenda; lavendermafia; liberalagenda; mikepence; rfra; rino; rinoexposed; rop
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why couldn’t a “traditional” couple do that?

Hmmm...wonder if James O'Keefe is interested in that gig.

21 posted on 04/02/2015 11:23:49 AM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie)
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To: hoosiermama
Have asked my representative to add Christian to the list of protected people.

Won't do it. Political correctness only protects those who are part of a left wing voting block. POLITICAL correctness deems right wing voters the targets. They don't have rights - they vote incorrectly.

22 posted on 04/02/2015 11:24:19 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Before its over, being a Christian will be punishable by death. All in the name of “justice” of course. As for religous “freedom”, no one will even be alowed to buy pizza without proclaiming that the world political leader is God.

Who then will remember America the freedom it once had to worship God the way you wanted, and who foolishly took the first step to slavery by redefining that to worship the God you wanted?

That tiny excuse for “religious freedom” shall enslave the world in the end.


23 posted on 04/02/2015 11:24:34 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The cowardice of these sniveling republicans is DANGEROUS.

The religious freedom act is now the persecute the religious act?

This is insane ;/


24 posted on 04/02/2015 11:24:43 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They need to explain why this is different than allowing Muhammad Ali to deny the draft because of his religious convictions.
25 posted on 04/02/2015 11:25:43 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That’s what I noticed just before I left for school, so I didn’t post it. The language says you can’t deny service based on sexual orientation. That makes Sodomites officially a protected class. Where the laws implied that, this law makes it explicit. It’ll be cited by every slighted homosexual. The sponsors of the original bill are now sponsoring a bill that ensures that Christians will lose every case brought against them. If they vote against the bill, their talking points fall apart. Either way, they look really stupid. They’re going to look really stupid either way. They got rolled by the Sodom lobby and may not even know it yet.

By refusing to sign or veto this bill, Pence just made idiots out of all the people who voted for the original bill. If you live in Indiana, and you voted for Mike Pence because you thought he’d be better than a Democrat, well, he just made fools of all the conservative reps who took a lot of crap in supporting this bill.


26 posted on 04/02/2015 11:26:12 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: concerned about politics

It is not about appeasing the 2% or the muslims, it’s about destroying Christianity once and for all.


27 posted on 04/02/2015 11:26:29 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: XenaLee

We shouldn’t have to rely on one man. Any citizen could do what he does, especially now that video cameras are so small and low in price.


28 posted on 04/02/2015 11:27:23 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://www.tedcruz.org/donate/)
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To: Flycatcher

Well, now we know where the Heavenly Sodom and Gomorrah bolt is going to strike.


29 posted on 04/02/2015 11:29:18 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

30 posted on 04/02/2015 11:31:30 AM PDT by QT3.14 (Germanwings: Obama locked us out and is doing the same to the USA.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Dauphin Bush approves of this “consensus-oriented” approach.


31 posted on 04/02/2015 11:33:03 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Good job, Mike Pence, you loser!


32 posted on 04/02/2015 11:33:16 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Political prisoners... Does the left really want that image? You know the Pravda censorship of CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN... would be overcome by word of mouth, Talk Radio, and FOX....


33 posted on 04/02/2015 11:34:41 AM PDT by BigEdLB (We're experienceing the rule of a Roman Emperor, Barack I)
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To: SmokingJoe

Not just Indiana. But Arkansas’s Governor just returned the same bill back for re-write because Wal-Mart complained although I understand Wal-Mart would not state specifically what they were complaining about.


34 posted on 04/02/2015 11:35:44 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: The Great RJ
Actually, what if someone went to a Kosher caterer and ordered ham etc.? If forced to do that it would be a tremendous burden on them and could negatively affect their business (e.g. people ordering Kosher food might wonder about the cookware used and whether it was used for non-Kosher food - etc.). The same would apply for a Halal caterer. They should have the right to refuse.
35 posted on 04/02/2015 11:38:28 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; All
Thank you for referencing that article E. Pluribus Unum. Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

What a constitutionally ignorant flip-flop on Indiana's religious freedom law by state lawmakers!

Noting that the states have never amended the Constitution to expressly protect gay agenda issues, Christians need to quickly get up to speed on the following. They need to study the Constitution, particulary Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, in order to protect their constitutional rights from the “Keystone Kops” leaders of their state since their leaders have evidently have not studied the Constitution which they have sworn to protect and defend.

The knee-jerk reaction of low-information state lawmakers to gay bullying concerning Indiana’s religious freedom law is that the law is now arguably in violation of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment.

Section 1 prohibits the states from making laws which unreasonably abridge the constitutionally enumerated rights of citizens, the 1st Amendment-protected freedom of religious expression in this case.

14th Amendment, Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States [emphasis added]; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Note that the “privileges or immunities” term which John Bingham, the main author of Section 1, used in that section is just another way to refer to constitutionally enumerated rights, most of these well-known rights, including 1st Amendment-protected freedom of religious expression, listed in the Bill of Rights.

If the low-information leaders of Indiana are an example of what’s going on in other state governments, it’s no wonder that the states lost control of the constitutionally limited power federal government.

36 posted on 04/02/2015 11:39:05 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: American in Israel
It is not about appeasing the 2% or the muslims, it’s about destroying Christianity once and for all.

No. The homos are only 2%, and that's only if you count the prison inmates who go homo if they want to have sex at all.
The homos are a very, very small number, but those who want to destroy America from within make a lot of noise to get people to believe their are thousands more of them.
Business's may get thousands of nasty emails for supporting marriage, but the actual number of people sending them may be less than a dozen. They just use spam mail. Even the politicians fall for this scam.

Rush is always getting spam mail. Once he decided to look into them. He found out the thousands of emails were coming from about three states and were all sent from about 10 people at the most.

The "outrage" over this right to religion thing isn't real. It's all spammed to make the politicians and business's think the majority is against them. They have no idea they're being massively deceived. When they lose the next election and the business's lose customers, they're baffled by it. They can't figure out what they did wrong.

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37 posted on 04/02/2015 11:41:07 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics

Evil always thinks it has a better way, then the law of unintended consequences kicks in.


38 posted on 04/02/2015 11:45:47 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: martinidon
If a Christian company needs to be protected from serving at a gay wedding I am sure a bunch of smart attorneys can create a contract that states at anytime this contract can be subcontracted to another company for any reason

I've had the same thought...Christian businesses vulnerable to sexual perversion attacks could make agreements with similar secular businesses to take client referrals and then when someone "requests" that the Christian "perform" services that are objectionable to the Christian's principles, the Christian can merely state that such services will gladly (or is it gaily?) be provided by an associate (thus, NO denial of service to the perverts!).

39 posted on 04/02/2015 11:50:15 AM PDT by E=MC<sup>2</sup> (Are liberals born stupid, or do they have to work at it???)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

So in trying to fix a law that was poorly thought out to begin with they are going to make it worse? And remove the reason for the original law while they’re at it? Why am I not surprised?


40 posted on 04/02/2015 11:53:37 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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