How Gun Rights Harm the Rule of Law

theatlantic.com ^ | 4/1/2015 | Firmin DeBrabander

[rktman]

Polls show that gun owners cite self-protection as the primary reason they are armed. Their intentions are generally good and admirable. The gun-rights movement has done a great job making the argument for individuals to be armed to protect themselves and their families in their own homes. What if you are faced with a menacing home intruder and police are far away? In that situation, it makes good sense to be armed.

But there is an unfortunate lesson playing out for those who have armed themselves to feel safer—and for all of us, too. The gun-rights movement has worked hard to push an increasingly radical agenda that undermines both our personal safety and our civic fabric. To that extent, there is something almost tragic occurring here: The well-meaning citizens who arm themselves in droves, perhaps even in public, are in that very process threatening the peace and order they seek to preserve, and claim to uphold.

[rktman]

Okay firmin debrabander, first of all the US is NOT a democracy. Second, at first I thought this was an April Fools piece but alas, it doesn't appear so. That pretty much leaves me speechless at this asshats supposed thought process. Not sure which constitution they read (or probably didn't or don't understand it) but it ain't the one I swore to uphold when I joined the Navy. Then again, maybe I just haven't been "enlightened".

[IncPen]

Perhaps we should remove the First Amendment, and check back with Firmin DeBrabander to see how it’s going.

[wideawake]

this a particularly weak line of argument for a publication like The Atlantic.

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

Read all about it, with a heapin’ helping of navel lint, at The Atlantic.

[wideawake]

However, it does show that the idiocy of Curtis Reeves is a gift that keeps on giving for the left.

[JRandomFreeper]

Citizen rights harm rule.

Yep. I can see leftist thinking that.

They can pound sand.

/johnny

[GraceG]

Well in a police state there is certainly a lot of laws....

[rktman]

Sadly, the country seems to be overrun with IPOS/SPOS/LPOS/UPOS and yes, they do vote.

[GraceG]

Search warrants harm the rule of law.

By their twisted logic...

[rktman]

LOL! I’m probably violating one right now.

[circlecity]

"Thanks to Stand Your Ground, citizens must now fear their armed neighbors in addition to prospective criminals. What if someone who spies you walking down the street thinks you look suspicious? What if you become a target for would-be George Zimmermans? Or what if the man you argue with, or potentially insult or offend, even unintentionally, is armed and irascible—and the argument escalates?"

WTF???? Stand you Ground laws would not apply in the slightest to any of those situations.

[MrB]

Obama has the same view of individual rights as enshrined in the Constitution -

they get in the way of him doing what he needs to do to make society perfect.

[Iron Munro]

[MaxMax]

I stopped at "The gun-rights movement has worked hard to push an increasingly radical agenda

and thought a moment, then continued to read further looking for the proof
of this radical agenda, and there is none. People will break the law no matter
if guns are outlawed but what this putz isn't concerned about is a Womans right
to defend themselves "With a Gun" or any other legal gun owner.

The radical agenda here is the constant attempt to ignore our Constitution which
the founding of our country is about. Freedom from tyranny.

Radical is the Homosexual Marxists, go get on that bandwagon asshole!

[JRandomFreeper]

Good. I mean to be a PITA to leftists and get in their way. And encourage others to do the same. ;)

/johnny

[Yosemitest]

“A traitor is everyone who does not agree with me.”
King George III


The United States Citizens KNOW that they're going to have to fight TYRANTS in their own government.
You can not protect life, without the ability to take life.

While you are WAITING for the police to respond, someone could be losing their life.
All people of a responsible age should be armed.

As EternalVigilance reminded us:

The Second Amendment IS Pro-Life.

"Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these:
First, a right to life;
Secondly, to liberty;
Thirdly, to property;
together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can.
These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation,
commonly called the first law of nature...
In short, it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into society,
to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights;
when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution,
is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights;
the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property.
If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right,
the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation.
The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty,
it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift
and voluntarily become a slave."




-- Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists

Click here to read the 12 page pamphlet.

Let us NEVER FORGET THAT !

Let's subjugate them to OUR end game, DUST!
"COMPROMISE" is a DIRTY word!
People who study the Bible know that COMPROMISE almost always leads to destruction.


It's time to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies!
"Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.


The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
We need to learn from the Swiss and implement their "gun control measures" here in the United States right now, today!
These laws are the ones we should shove into the "2nd Amendment Haters" faces.

" Today, military service for Swiss males is universal. At about age 20, every Swiss male goes through 118 consecutive days of recruit training in the Rekrutenschule. ...

Even before required training begins, young men and women may take optional courses with the Swiss army's M57 assault rifle.
They keep that gun at home for three months and receive six half-day training sessions.

From age 21 to 32, a Swiss man serves as a "frontline" troop in the Auszug, and devotes three weeks a year (in eight of the 12 years) to continued training.
From age 33 to 42, he serves in the Landwehr (like America's National Guard); every few years, he reports for two-week training periods.
Finally, from ages 43, to 50, he serves in the Landsturm; in this period, he only spends 13 days total in "home guard courses."

Over a soldier's career he also spends scattered days on mandatory equipment inspections and required target practice.
Thus, in a 30-year mandatory military career, a Swiss man only spends about one year in direct military service.
Following discharge from the regular army, men serve on reserve status until age 50 (55 for officers).

By the Federal Constitution of 1874, military servicemen are given their first equipment, clothing and arms.
After the first training period, conscripts must keep gun, ammunition and equipment an ihrem Wohnort ("in their homes") until the end of their term of service.

Today, enlisted men are issued M57 AUTOMATIC assault rifles and officers are given pistol.
Each reservist is issued 24 rounds of ammunition in sealed packs for emergency use.
(Contrary to Handgun Control's claim that "all ammunition must be accounted for," the emergency ammunition is the only ammo that requires accounting.)

After discharge from service, the man is given a bolt rifle free from registration or obligation.
Starting in the 1994, the government will GIVE ex-reservists assault rifles. Officers carry pistols rather than rifles and are given their pistols the end of their service.

When the government adopts a new infantry rifle, it sells the old ones to the public.

Reservists are encouraged to buy MILITARY ammunition
(7.5 and 5.6mm-5.56 mm in other countries-for rifles and 9 and 7.65 mm Luger for pistols)
which is sold AT COST by the government, for target practice .
Non-military ammunition for long-gun hunting and .22 Long Rifle (LR) ammo are not subsidized, but are subject to NO sales controls.
Non-military non-hunting ammunition more powerful than .22 LR (such as .38 Spl.) is registered at the time of sale.

Swiss military ammo must be registered IF bought at a private store, BUT NEED NOT BE REGISTERED IF bought at a range.
The nation's 3,000 shooting ranges sell the overwhelming majority of ammunition.
Technically, ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range, but the rule is barely known and almost never obeyed.

The army SELLS a variety of machine guns, submachine guns, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers and cannons.
Purchasers of these weapons require an EASILY OBTAINED cantonal license, and the weapons are registered.
In a nation of six million people, there are at least two million guns, including 600,000 FULLY AUTOMATIC assault rifles, half a million pistols, and numerous machine guns.
Virtually every home has a gun.

Besides SUBSIDIZED military surplus, the Swiss can buy other firearms easily too.
While long guns require NO special purchase procedures, handguns are sold only to those with a Waffenerwerbsschien (purchase certificate) issued by a cantonal authority.
A certificate is issued to every applicant over 18 who is not a criminal or mentally infirm.

There are NO restrictions on the carrying of long guns.
About half the cantons have strict permit procedures for carrying handguns, and the other half have NO rules at all.
There is NO discernible difference in the crime rate between the cantons as a result of the different policies.

Thanks to a lawsuit brought by the Swiss gun lobby, semi-automatic rifles require NO PURCHASE PERMIT and are NOT registered by the government.
Thus, the ONLY long guns registered by the government are FULL AUTOMATICS."

The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
Let's adopt THEIR LAWS !

Remember:

The beauty of the Second Amendment is
that it will not be needed
until they TRY to take it.

Read Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, IT'S ABOUT TYRANNY .

You might want to watch this.

When They Come For Your Guns ( 9:48 )
TheHossUSMC, Published on May 16, 2013

[Diana in Wisconsin]

Um, not sure about the rest of you, but I’m armed mainly to protect myself from GOVERNMENT! :)

[Diana in Wisconsin]

And if you need me, I’ll be up at the cabin, working on my Manifesto! :)

[Diana in Wisconsin]

Nicely done!

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Polls show that gun owners cite self-protection as the primary reason they are armed.

Polls? What a joke. I don't need a reason. Nor will I give one if asked.