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"My God, My God, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?"
ligonier.org The Teaching Fellowship of Calvinist R.C. Sproul ^ | 3/30/15 | Joel Beeke

Posted on 03/31/2015 2:13:21 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

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My God, My God, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?”

from Mar 30, 2015 Category: Articles

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”(Matt. 27:46, KJV).

It is noon, and Jesus has been on the cross for three pain-filled hours. Suddenly, darkness falls on Calvary and “over all the land” (v. 45). By a miraculous act of Almighty God, midday becomes midnight.

This supernatural darkness is a symbol of God’s judgment on sin. The physical darkness signals a deeper and more fearsome darkness.

The great High Priest enters Golgotha’s Holy of Holies without friends or enemies. The Son of God is alone on the cross for three final hours, enduring what defies our imagination. Experiencing the full brunt of His Father’s wrath, Jesus cannot stay silent. He cries out: “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”

This phrase represents the nadir, the lowest point, of Jesus’ sufferings. Here Jesus descends into the essence of hell, the most extreme suffering ever experienced. It is a time so compacted, so infinite, so horrendous as to be incomprehensible and, seemingly, unsustainable.

Jesus’ cry does not in any way diminish His deity. Jesus does not cease being God before, during, or after this. Jesus’ cry does not divide His human nature from His divine person or destroy the Trinity. Nor does it detach Him from the Holy Spirit. The Son lacks the comforts of the Spirit, but He does not lose the holiness of the Spirit. And finally, it does not cause Him to disavow His mission. Both the Father and Son knew from all eternity that Jesus would become the Lamb of God who would take away the sin of the world (Acts 15:18). It is unthinkable that the Son of God might question what is happening or be perplexed when His Father’s loving presence departs.

Jesus is expressing the agony of unanswered supplication (Ps. 22:1–2). Unanswered, Jesus feels forgotten of God. He is also expressing the agony of unbearable stress. It is the kind of “roaring” mentioned in Psalm 22: the roar of desperate agony without rebellion. It is the hellish cry uttered when the undiluted wrath of God overwhelms the soul. It is heart-piercing, heaven-piercing, and hell-piercing. Further, Jesus is expressing the agony of unmitigated sin. All the sins of the elect, and the hell that they deserve for eternity, are laid upon Him. And Jesus is expressing the agony of unassisted solitariness. In His hour of greatest need comes a pain unlike anything the Son has ever experienced: His Father’s abandonment. When Jesus most needs encouragement, no voice cries from heaven, “This is my beloved Son.” No angel is sent to strengthen Him; no “well done, thou good and faithful servant” resounds in His ears. The women who supported Him are silent. The disciples, cowardly and terrified, have fled. Feeling disowned by all, Jesus endures the way of suffering alone, deserted, and forsaken in utter darkness. Every detail of this horrific abandonment declares the heinous character of our sins!

But why would God bruise His own Son (Isa. 53:10)? The Father is not capricious, malicious, or being merely didactic. The real purpose is penal; it is the just punishment for the sin of Christ’s people. “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him” (2 Cor. 5:21).

Christ was made sin for us, dear believers. Among all the mysteries of salvation, this little word “for” exceeds all. This small word illuminates our darkness and unites Jesus Christ with sinners. Christ was acting on behalf of His people as their representative and for their benefit.

With Jesus as our substitute, God’s wrath is satisfied and God can justify those who believe in Jesus (Rom. 3:26). Christ’s penal suffering, therefore, is vicarious — He suffered on our behalf. He did not simply share our forsakenness, but He saved us from it. He endured it for us, not with us. You are immune to condemnation (Rom. 8:1) and to God’s anathema (Gal. 3:13) because Christ bore it for you in that outer darkness. Golgotha secured our immunity, not mere sympathy.

This explains the hours of darkness and the roar of dereliction. God’s people experience just a taste of this when they are brought by the Holy Spirit before the Judge of heaven and earth, only to experience that they are not consumed for Christ’s sake. They come out of darkness, confessing, “Because Immanuel has descended into the lowest hell for us, God is with us in the darkness, under the darkness, through the darkness — and we are not consumed!”

How stupendous is the love of God! Indeed, our hearts so overflow with love that we respond, “We love him, because he first loved us” (1 John 4:19).

This post was originally published in Tabletalk magazine.


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To: MHGinTN

Yeshua was talking about the new body 100%

We get out new body at the Last Trump, the first resurrection. (believers)

The Great White Throne is strictly for those that missed the Grace, unbelievers, subject to the “second death,” 1000 years after we get our new bod.

Yeshua, after the resurrection, could be seen and ‘touched’ when he wished to be. He also traveled unseen, and walked through walls.

I understand your deep fear of the scriptures you display with your “bye bye,” its common in those that have not studied the depth of the issues, but facing it head on is the path to understanding.

I have only the need to follow the word. That is the only way to be right.


261 posted on 04/23/2015 7:24:31 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Mark17; MHGinTN; Elsie; metmom; boatbums; CynicalBear

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>> “Mormonism is just another works based cult, in a long line of works based cults.” <<

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Superficially, yes, but really mormonism is a priviledge society, a form of Freemasonry, that follows all of the ritual described in Morals and Dogma to the limit. They just name the steps differently.
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262 posted on 04/23/2015 7:30:45 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: StormPrepper

Pardon my incorrect use of ‘Paul’ when it should have been ‘John.’

I mixed up two responses on different threads in my head. (FReeperheimers)


263 posted on 04/23/2015 7:35:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
You spittled out, "I understand your deep fear of the scriptures you display with your “bye bye,” its common in those that have not studied the depth of the issues, but facing it head on is the path to understanding."

I have no fear of the scriptures, which I have been studying for more than thirty years and in more than one language. What a littleman comment you made in your effort to accomplish some thing for your ego.

On the other hand, an arrogant smartaleck like you is not a source from which I accept Bible study from. Somehow you think your smartaleck remark is going to gain you points or something. Sorry, you are a sad case.

264 posted on 04/23/2015 7:49:39 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN

When people run out of guesses, they rudely seek to end the conversation.

Demeaning the poster personally as you just did is a “special added touch.”
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265 posted on 04/23/2015 7:54:45 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

You earned it in spades. Congratulations!


266 posted on 04/23/2015 7:57:44 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN

Sweet!


267 posted on 04/23/2015 7:59:02 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

I have not run out of anything. You are such a a disgusting person on the forum that I have no desire to discuss anything with you. How clever of you! You can cling to your person interpretations and tell yourself you are the superior mind.


268 posted on 04/23/2015 7:59:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN

Maple syrup!


269 posted on 04/23/2015 8:41:39 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Paul didn’t see any things past. All that he was shown in the vision was future. That is why his descriptions seem so fanciful; he had no knowledge of 21st century military hardware, so he likened what he saw in the vision to the things with which he was familiar.

So you're basing your theory on the fact that John didn't give an explicit time line for every verse in Revelation?

He references the past to give context and back story to his vision. I have shown you proof in the writings of the other prophets that correct your overall understanding of past events.

Are you honestly going to continue to claim that the most evil creature in the universe can live in heaven?

If that is the case, then how can anything ever be sent to hell?

The truth is Lucifer lead a third of all the people in heaven to rebel against God. He and they were cast out for that rebellion. They were cast out to the earth before man was created. That's why Satan was there to tempt Adam and Eve, to tempt Christ, to afflict Job, etc...

Rev 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

John even uses passed tense... was and fought...passed tense. He doesn't say, there will be war.

And Dr. J.B. Buffington who preaches the false doctrine of Satan is in heaven should be ignored and left alone. He's a false teacher.


270 posted on 04/24/2015 7:25:17 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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To: StormPrepper

I have no theory.

I go by what the plain word of God says.

John didn’t reference anything past that wasn’t a part of his own life.

What you have shown repeatedly is mormon contrivances that have no connection to reality.

The word of God states plainly that Satan’s primary location is the throne room of God, where he accuses the brethren daily, and that he will continue to do so until no place is found for him, and he will be cast down to earth to tribulate the saints, and in particular, the seed of Jacob.

What you’ve called ‘truth’ is simply mormon fallacy.


271 posted on 04/24/2015 7:54:53 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
What you’ve called ‘truth’ is simply mormon fallacy.

When someone resorts to ad hominem it usually means they have nothing to back up their position. It's weak...

Instead of lashing out, why don't you try answering something very simple...

How can Satan be in heaven before the throne of God as you claim, when he tells the Lord he's been going to and fro in the world in Job 1?

I mean it seems logical to me, that before you can cling to your assertion, you have to have a truthful answer to this first, right?

I mean, Jesus Himself witnessed that the devil was in the wilderness on the earth.

Matt 4:
1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Jer 17
23 But they obeyed not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction.

Some people just refuse to hear the truth...
272 posted on 04/24/2015 8:37:27 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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To: StormPrepper

You apparently do not know what Adhominem is.

I have never attacked you personally.

I reject false doctrine.

I will waste no time childishly arguing about Where Satan is. He is just like Yeshua in his ability to move from place to place at will in an instant.

And yes, mormons do refuse to accept the truth. If all mormons read “Secret Morman History” By John Ahmanson, (a witness to the founding of the mormon cult) There would be no mormons.

It establishes that the “book of mormon” was a stolen novel, a work of fiction, that Smith found in manuscript form, in an attic he was cleaning.

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273 posted on 04/24/2015 9:01:56 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
You apparently do not know what Adhominem is.

And yes, mormons do refuse to accept the truth.

Apparently I do. Saying disparaging this about Mormons to a Mormon is the same as disparaging them. It's ad hominem.

I will waste no time childishly arguing about Where Satan is. He is just like Yeshua in his ability to move from place to place at will in an instant.

He can? Sounds like "B" rated Hollywood movie monster.

John Ahmanson, (a witness to the founding of the mormon cult) There would be no mormons.

John Ahmanson wasn't introduced to the Church until 1850 in Denmark no less. He didn't witness the founding of the Church.


274 posted on 04/24/2015 9:43:34 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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To: editor-surveyor
The Great White Throne is strictly for those that missed the Grace, unbelievers, subject to the “second death,” 1000 years after we get our new bod.


I've heard this said; yet the Book does not say that:


 
Revelation 20:11-15
"Then I saw a great White Throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and THE BOOKS WERE OPENED. Another book was opened WHICH IS THE BOOK OF LIFE. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to their works.  Then death and Hades were thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
 
 
 
 
 

275 posted on 04/24/2015 12:16:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: StormPrepper; teppe; WilliamRobert; Normandy
So you're basing your theory on the fact that John didn't give an explicit time line for every verse in Revelation?

No problem!!!

Joseph Smith diligently followed the instructions of his god and CORRECTED what Evil Men have CORRUPTED!!


Remember... only ONE of these sets of verses are considered to be SCRIPTURE by Salt Lake City.


Red italics indicate additions.
Green indicates spelling differences.
Blue indicates words removed.
Larger font indicates completely different words used.
 
 
JOSEPH SMITH TRANSLATION - REVELATION

Revelation 1:1–8

1 The Revelation of John, a servant of God, which was given unto him of Jesus Christ, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass, that he sent and signified by his angel unto his servant John,

2 Who bore record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed are they who read, and they who hear and understand the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein, for the time of the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

4 Now this is the testimony of John to the seven servants who are over the seven churches in Asia. Grace unto you, and peace from him who is, and who was, and who is to come; who hath sent forth his angel from before his throne, to testify unto those who are the seven servants over the seven churches.

5 Therefore, I, John, the faithful witness, bear record of the things which were delivered me of the angel, and from Jesus Christ the first begotten of the dead, and the Prince of the kings of the earth.

6 And unto him who loved us, be glory; who washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God, his Father. To him be glory and dominion, forever and ever. Amen.

7 For behold, he cometh in the clouds with ten thousands of his saints in the kingdom, clothed with the glory of his Father. And every eye shall see him; and they who pierced him, and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 For he saith, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 2:26–27

26 And to him who overcometh, and keepeth my commandments unto the end, will I give power over many kingdoms;

27 And he shall rule them with the word of God; and they shall be in his hands as the vessels of clay in the hands of a potter; and he shall govern them by faith, with equity and justice, even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 12:1–17

1 And there appeared a great sign in heaven, in the likeness of things on the earth; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.

2 And the woman being with child, cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God and his throne.

4 And there appeared another sign in heaven; and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman which was delivered, ready to devour her child after it was born.

5 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore years.

6 And there was war in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought against Michael;

7 And the dragon prevailed not against Michael, neither the child, nor the woman which was the church of God, who had been delivered of her pains, and brought forth the kingdom of our God and his Christ.

8 Neither was there place found in heaven for the great dragon, who was cast out; that old serpent called the devil, and also called Satan, which deceiveth the whole world; he was cast out into the earth; and his angels were cast out with him.

9 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ;

10 For the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 For they have overcome him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; for they loved not their own lives, but kept the testimony even unto death. Therefore, rejoice O heavens, and ye that dwell in them.

12 And after these things I heard another voice saying, Woe to the inhabiters of the earth, yea, and they who dwell upon the islands of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 For when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 Therefore, to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might flee into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent casteth out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helpeth the woman, and the earth openeth her mouth, and swalloweth up the flood which the dragon casteth out of his mouth.

17 Therefore, the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

KJV – REVELATION
Revelation 1:1–8

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

 

Revelation 2:26–27

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 12:1–17

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

King James Version of the Holy Bible
Public domain


276 posted on 04/24/2015 12:21:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: StormPrepper
... Dr. J.B. Buffington who preaches the false doctrine of Satan is in heaven should be ignored and left alone. He's a false teacher.

Amazing that you can detect this!

277 posted on 04/24/2015 12:21:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: StormPrepper
When someone resorts to ad hominem it usually means they have nothing to back up their position. It's weak...

When someone resorts to ignoring data put before them, it usually means they have nothing to back up their position.

It's typically a MORMON tactic...


2:02


 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted
 

If the above link does NOT function; try THIS one.   Click on the second image.
 
http://mormontruthnews.blogspot.com/2006/10/robert-millet-former-dean-of-religious_01.html

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

 
 
 
 
 

278 posted on 04/24/2015 12:23:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: StormPrepper
Some people just refuse to hear the truth...

Truth is what comes out of a prophets mouth; right???


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

279 posted on 04/24/2015 12:25:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: StormPrepper; Utah Binger

John Ahmanson wasn’t introduced to the Church until 1850 in Denmark no less. He didn’t witness the founding of the Church.

Coffee and Denmark!

What a twofer!!

http://blog.mrm.org/2012/02/mormonism%e2%80%99s-secret-history/


280 posted on 04/24/2015 12:28:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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