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Eurozone can't survive in current form, says PIMCO
The Telegraph ^ | 03-28-2015 | Szu Ping Chan

Posted on 03/28/2015 7:22:07 PM PDT by NRx

The eurozone is "untenable" in its current form and cannot survive unless countries are prepared to cede sovereignty and become a "United States of Europe", the manager of the world's biggest bond fund has warned.

The Pacific Investment Management Company (PIMCO) said that while the bloc was likely to stay together in the medium term, with Greece remaining in the eurozone, the single currency could not survive if countries did not move closer together.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: europe

1 posted on 03/28/2015 7:22:07 PM PDT by NRx
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To: expat_panama; 1010RD
FYI
2 posted on 03/28/2015 7:23:46 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: NRx

while a single currency is a definite convenience, without a sovereignty behind it.... its ill-fated at best.

but ... a single currency is not nearly as necessary for movement and trade as it was even 10 or 20 years ago...
what with everybody carrying a cellphone (or tablet or computer) which can provide easy and instant currency conversions in real time.

so, I would suggest letting the Euro currency go.
better than taking away 20 nation’s sovereignties and shoving them all under (unresponsive, dictatorially-inclined and otherwise problematical) the Brussels bureaucrappy.


3 posted on 03/28/2015 7:35:32 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (Foolish people ... have eyes and see not)
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To: NRx

Id worry that S0r0$ might attack individual European currencies.


4 posted on 03/28/2015 7:41:34 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Chgogal

PIMCO working their book. Undoing the Euro would mean bureaucrats losing their jobs and power. When has that happened in the 20th or 21st centuries?


5 posted on 03/28/2015 7:57:29 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: NRx

Brussels is a much greater threat to freedom today than Moscow. With an unelected bureaucracy now strangling what remains of EU member states’ sovereignty, a new beast is rising in Europe.


6 posted on 03/28/2015 7:59:14 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: NRx

They should have listened to Margaret Thatcher.


7 posted on 03/28/2015 8:02:17 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

+1


8 posted on 03/28/2015 8:17:45 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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To: NRx
Whoa... wait... When did the States of the United States cede sovereignty? As far as I'm concerned, Texas is still a sovereign state.

These bozo just want to accumulate power. I guess it's easier in Europe.

/johnny

9 posted on 03/28/2015 8:22:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: 1010RD
Undoing the Euro would mean bureaucrats losing their jobs and power.

All you give is the upside. ;)

/johnny

10 posted on 03/28/2015 8:23:14 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I worked in Dallas for a few months; I loved the pic someone had on their wall, of a globe that was all ocean except for a massive Texas. Hah !

TX people are great. Friendly, but quiet about it. I always thought of them as kind of a cross between NJ and Georgia.

I especially love the “independent streak” that seems common there. IMHO, they don’t make a show of it, they just sort of always “reserve the right” to make their own decisions in a quiet but very firm way.


11 posted on 03/29/2015 12:23:43 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
There may be a touch of independence. ;)

/johnny

12 posted on 03/29/2015 12:57:29 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Chgogal

tx. good info in the article, even better info in the thread...


13 posted on 03/29/2015 5:44:51 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: NRx

the real problem is the surrender of sovereignty to “save” the single currency is not a necessity for the economic well being of the people and nations in the Eurozone, because THAT is much more dependent on OTHER labor and trade decisions they make, and can make individually, than which currency an exchange of goods or services is or is not denominated in.

The analogy to the U.S. proves the opposite of what the PIMCO guy thinks it does. The states of the United States are NOT all performing either uniformly well, or uniformly bad, just because they all use the same currency. Yes there are national statistics for things like the national GDP, or “unemployment”. They are merely cumulative figures that have summed the figures from all the states. The true health of any state within the United States IS NOT in those cumulative figures, but in the states own performance.

The Eurozone needed total and complete free trade within it, more than it needed a common currency.

Contrary to popular belief the common currency did not arise from ANY economic necessity, but precisely because in time it would lead to calls for less sovereign rights in the member states and more power in the hands of EU central planners.


14 posted on 03/29/2015 7:41:41 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: 1010RD
Very true about PIMCO working their book. Truer still is Euroland’s financial structure. As the old song goes, Something’s Gotta Give, Something’s Gotta Give, Something’s Gotta Give.

No one could sing a song like Frankie. ; )

15 posted on 03/29/2015 9:40:41 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Chgogal
Well it's more of a mix of trying to minimize nationalism and financial risk and maximize trade (and corruption). The average German doesn't like paying for all the PIGS. Luckily the average German has no say, at the moment.

Nice little example of the costs of losing sovereignty: Where we have a condo in the Netherlands, you could get some great smoked freshwater eel ("paling") direct from the paling merchants. It was a beautiful drive and a great reward. Euroland outlawed the direct buy (see article below for why). The eels would hang there and the paling monger would fillet your chosen eel right there and pack it for you. YUM! It's very difficult to get smoked freshwater eel now other than from the grocery store (and who knows where that eel is from). : (

http://eatyourworld.com/destinations/europe/the_netherlands/amsterdam/what_to_eat/gerookte_paling

16 posted on 03/29/2015 10:02:26 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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