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Something weird is going on --Investor Thread March 29, 2015
Weekly investment & finance thread ^ | Mar. 29, 2015 | Freeper Investors

Posted on 03/28/2015 3:17:44 PM PDT by expat_panama

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  Something weird is going on in the US economy, and it's not good

...Despite experiencing a healthy pace of job growth, the US economy has largely disappointed economists' expectations by delivering a series of weaker-than-expected economic reports.

The unexpected plunges in retail sales and durable goods orders stand out as they reflect weakness in both consumers and businesses.

On Wednesday, Bloomberg LP Chief Economist Michael McDonough tweeted a chart of the unprecedented divergence between job growth and retail sales growth. This is concerning as personal consumption accounts for roughly 70% of US GDP.

It's particularly concerning considering all of the extra spending money Americans supposedly have thanks to falling gas prices.

"Recent US data have been disappointing," Goldman Sachs Kris Dawsey said late Thursday. Dawsey thinks GDP growth could tumble to 1.4% in Q1 from 2.2% growth in Q4 of last year. Economists had previously expected GDP growth to accelerate in Q1 to around 3%.

Q2 Comeback?

For the most part, economists have attributed much of the recent weakness to unusually harsh winter weather and the plunge in oil prices, which has slammed the spending plans of US drillers. For this reason, economists are optimistic that weakness in Q1 could be offset by a rebound in Q2.

Dawsey specifically sees three reasons to be bullish on Q2:

Consumers will bounce back: "While some of this output may be lost for good (i.e. people won't eat two restaurant meals the next time they go out to make up for snow-delayed date night), a simple bounce-back to the prior level of spending would boost the growth rate in Q2 by roughly the same amount as the Q1 drag. In addition, some of the activity may just be shifted into Q2, in particular with regard to residential investment, resulting in an even bigger potential boost."

Energy companies will bounce back...

[snip]

Gas savings will fuel spending...
 

This is the thread where folks swap ideas on savings and investment --here's a list of popular investing links that freepers have posted here and tomorrow morning we'll go on with our--

Open invitation continues always for idea-input for the thread, this being a joint effort works well.   Keywords: financial, WallStreet, stockmarket, economy.

 

 

 

--is that (1) this "weird" stuff really is happening, (2) but not the way BI said, and (3) it's actually a good thing.

In the first place BI's numbers are real and true.  However the article uses them to support the belief that we got "...plunges in retail sales... ...the unprecedented divergence between job growth and retail sales growth."  Reality is that for years now we've not seen falling sales and rising employment, we've had falling employment and climbing sales.

The 'misunderstanding' (a kind way of saying "deceit") was caused by allowing monthly changes in jobs'n'sales to pass for what's really going on with jobs'n'sales.   Reality is that the actual cumulative increase in sales since the recession, is really a 15% climb, while total employment's dragged up a meager one percent.   Job stagnation looks even worse when we take into account population growth over the period  --17 million more people is a 6% expansion that shows how our 1% employment increase is truly inadequate. 

But we digress. 

But as long as we're digressing how about we also remember that this so-called 15% boom in sales ignores inflation and population growth.  Taking those factors into account we find that real per capita sales is down 5% from the pre-recession high and remember that for decades Americans had been enjoying continuous sales growth--

OK so the economy sucks but that's still not the point.  The BI writer (he holds a BA in Religion from Boston University) screwed up by passing on the idea that the drop in sales was an "unprecedented divergence" along with a the graphic that circled an era going back years.  Coming back to the Planet Earth the divergence that we do have does not span "years".  It's been going on now more like for a couple months.  Hey, remember that  everyone says "size doesn't matter" so let's be happy with what we got because there're a number of reasons why falling sales and rising employment can even be good for us.

For starters it means that people are getting back to work and they're saving for hard times ahead.  Americans.  Ya can't beat 'em.

Another reason is that the past few years of stagnant jobs and rising sales has only been possible because of the rise of spending by the elite wealthy.  Whoa --we're not going into some goofy income inequality shtick because equal incomes is what Marx advocated.  Bad idea.  Our problem is that until recently the risk has been a separation between the rich and poor --an opportunity deficit that threatened to close the book on America's success stories.  These past few months offer reassurance that wealth class structure is not that solid after all.

Finally my take is that at the very least falling sales --while short term pain-- can be a 'wake-up-call' for the policy wonks that don't know or don't want admit the economy sucks.

They might even get off our backs and let us get back to work...



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; financial; recession; stockmarket; wallstreet
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1 posted on 03/28/2015 3:17:44 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: 1010RD; A Cyrenian; abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; aposiopetic; Aquamarine; ..

The weirdness in the economy couldn't wait for Sunday morning.

2 posted on 03/28/2015 3:21:14 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

How much of that savings in gasoline costs is going directly into higher health care costs, I wonder.


3 posted on 03/28/2015 3:23:59 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: expat_panama
US economy has largely disappointed economists' expectations by delivering a series of weaker-than-expected economic reports.

Reports that the US had emerged from the recession (0bama DEPRESSION) have been greatly exaggerated (totally fabricated).

With 93 MILLION working age Americans having given up even looking for work, printing money and throwing it at the economy won't even hide the facts anymore.

4 posted on 03/28/2015 3:24:31 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (0bama may not be THE antiCHRIST, but he's definitely ANTI - CHRIST!)
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To: expat_panama
a series of weaker-than-expected economic reports

"Unexpected"

5 posted on 03/28/2015 3:25:16 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: expat_panama

So, this author thinks part-time hires represent great job growth? Sheeple.


6 posted on 03/28/2015 3:29:50 PM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: aimhigh
this author thinks part-time hires represent great job growth?


7 posted on 03/28/2015 3:34:33 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Something weird is going on. No kidding, going on for the past six years.


8 posted on 03/28/2015 3:37:21 PM PDT by Fungi (Evolution: no science, no truth, no nothing. Full of faith, faith in the "god" of chance.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
93 MILLION working age Americans having given up even looking for work

Not sure how they come up w/ that number, tho I hear Rush toot it all the time.  When I subtract the employment level from the employment age population I get an increase that's over 100 million.

9 posted on 03/28/2015 3:37:51 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Truth29

According to the numbers I’ve seen, all of it.


10 posted on 03/28/2015 3:44:36 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Truth29

Similarly, I thought that 2015 was going to be the year people would feel the sting of 0babacare via high premium/high deductible health plans.

Seems like that would be a contributing factor as well.


11 posted on 03/28/2015 3:46:04 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: expat_panama
Something weird is going on in the US economy, and it's not good

I said it here and doing it again:

"DUH"

What should be the penalty of ignorance to the point of negligence?

Oh, yeah: They didn't mean to/never intended to do it to the economy...

...and it was unexpected

</sarc>

12 posted on 03/28/2015 3:59:13 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: expat_panama

What does Rush care? He is a Free Traitor gloBULList i.e. mainstream Republican. He loves the ChiComs.


13 posted on 03/28/2015 4:02:48 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: expat_panama

Very good post. Americans continue to deleverage.


14 posted on 03/28/2015 4:08:48 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: aimhigh

Check your data. FT v. PT has improved greatly.


15 posted on 03/28/2015 4:09:28 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Truth29

That seems to be the white elephant in the room, doesn’t it?


16 posted on 03/28/2015 4:10:49 PM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is mine.)
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To: 1010RD; aimhigh
FT v. PT has improved greatly.

OK, so it was worse in 2010.   Swell.  In the mean time, since the recession employment's gone up a couple million, the population's gone up 17 million, and 3 million have gone from full time to part time.  The word "improved" is a little hard to take right now...

17 posted on 03/28/2015 4:47:51 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: MichaelCorleone

Especially with many people getting a surprised reduction in their EITC benefits or cut of the tax refund because the Obamacare subsidies were too high.


18 posted on 03/28/2015 4:47:52 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Truth29
How much of that savings in gasoline costs is going directly into higher health care costs, I wonder.

It's Official: Americans Spent All Their "Gas Savings" On Obamacare
19 posted on 03/28/2015 4:53:26 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer

Bad link.


20 posted on 03/28/2015 5:33:19 PM PDT by Truth29
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