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Cardinal Raymond Burke: Gays, remarried Catholics, murderers are all the same
Religion News Service (RNS) ^ | March 27, 2015 | David Gibson

Posted on 03/27/2015 4:43:28 PM PDT by EveningStar

When Pope Francis last year effectively demoted U.S. Cardinal Raymond Burke by moving him out of a senior post in the Vatican to a largely ceremonial role as head of a Rome-based Catholic charity, it was viewed as a way to sideline one of the pontiff’s most outspoken critics on the right ...

Now the American churchman has spoken out again, telling an interviewer that gay couples and divorced and remarried Catholics who are trying to live good and faithful lives are still like “the person who murders someone and yet is kind to other people.” ...

(Excerpt) Read more at religionnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cardinalburke; cardinalraymondburke; homosexualagenda; misleadingheadline; religion; sin
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1 posted on 03/27/2015 4:43:28 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Pope Franky Boy has his detractors, deservedly so.


2 posted on 03/27/2015 4:46:06 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: NYer; Coleus; narses; Salvation; Pyro7480

ping


3 posted on 03/27/2015 4:48:18 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Burke is a brave, honest, Godly man. The world needs more religious leaders like him.


4 posted on 03/27/2015 4:55:03 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: EveningStar

So if a person divorced under man’s law afterward marries another person while the former partner is still alive, and thus is engaged in remarriage adultery according to Jesus, what does one call their children?


5 posted on 03/27/2015 4:55:45 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: EveningStar

“Cardinal Raymond Burke: Gays, remarried Catholics, murderers are all the same”

Cardinal Burke never said the words in the headline. What he said was the simple truth that a sin is a sin and being nice does not wipe it away.

This is an obvious dishonest attack on Cardinal Burke who has the courage to speak the truth. The problem is there are always dishonest people who will twist the truth around to convince foolish and ignorant people that the speaker said something bad.


6 posted on 03/27/2015 4:55:58 PM PDT by detective
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To: EveningStar

Sodomy and Murder are both among the “four sins that cry out to Heaven for vengeance”.


7 posted on 03/27/2015 4:56:10 PM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: EveningStar

Is this a left wing anti-Christian site that you are using?


8 posted on 03/27/2015 5:03:03 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: EveningStar
Of course they don't quote him in context so you can see all that he is saying, but that's expected. They make it sound like he's saying "If you want to be with the one you love, you're no better than a murderer."

If anything, he was not blunt enough. What he was clearly trying to say, using blunter words that he did, is "Just like murder, sodomy and living in a continual state of adultery are both grave sins. And if you don't take yourself out of that situation and repent, you could be headed to hell just like a murderer, no matter how "nice" you are otherwise."

The word "nice" does not appear in the Bible, only the commandment to "be holy, as your heavenly Father is holy,"(1 Peter 1:15) and to "strive for the holiness without which no one will see God." (Hebrews 12:14)

9 posted on 03/27/2015 5:05:24 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: EveningStar
Of course they don't quote him in context so you can see all that he is saying, but that's expected. They make it sound like he's saying "If you want to be with the one you love, you're no better than a murderer."

If anything, he was not blunt enough. What he was clearly trying to say, using blunter words that he did, is "Just like murder, sodomy and living in a continual state of adultery are both grave sins. And if you don't take yourself out of that situation and repent, you could be headed to hell just like a murderer, no matter how "nice" you are otherwise."

The word "nice" does not appear in the Bible, only the commandment to "be holy, as your heavenly Father is holy,"(1 Peter 1:15) and to "strive for the holiness without which no one will see God." (Hebrews 12:14)

10 posted on 03/27/2015 5:05:24 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: detective

The person who writes the headline is rarely the person who writes the article.


11 posted on 03/27/2015 5:05:59 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Who the HELL wrote this HEADLINE?????


12 posted on 03/27/2015 5:06:06 PM PDT by Ann Archy (ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: imardmd1

Your question shows lack of knowledge


13 posted on 03/27/2015 5:06:57 PM PDT by thesligoduffyflynns (sligo surf club)
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To: ansel12
Is this a left wing anti-Christian site that you are using?

I have no idea. I never heard of the site until a few minutes ago.

14 posted on 03/27/2015 5:07:29 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Ann Archy
Who the HELL wrote this HEADLINE?????

Probably some junior staffer who's been told to write attention grabbing headlines.

15 posted on 03/27/2015 5:09:08 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Well don’t you think that it was worth checking out before you made the false claim, the lie?

You had a link to the original interview right in front of you, all you had to do was click on it and it would have taken you directly to the lifesitenews interview.


16 posted on 03/27/2015 5:11:19 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: imardmd1
"So if a person divorced under man’s law afterward marries another person while the former partner is still alive, and thus is engaged in remarriage adultery according to Jesus, what does one call their children?"

"They" (by which I presume you are referring to the Church) don't call them "bastards" if that's what you're thinking. "Bastard" is a legal term related to property and inheritance rights, not an ecclesiastical term. They are simply called "his children." Hope that helps. :)

17 posted on 03/27/2015 5:12:04 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: EveningStar

LSN: Among the viewpoints of Cardinal Kasper and, more recently, Bishop Bonny of Antwerp, and others, was the consideration that “faithful” homosexuals, “remarried” divorcees and non-married couples show qualities of self-sacrifice, generosity and dedication that cannot be ignored. But through their choice of lifestyle, they are in what must be seen by outsiders as an objective state of mortal sin: a chosen and prolonged state of mortal sin. Could you remind us of the Church’s teaching on the value and merit of prayer and good actions in this state?

CB: If you are living publicly in a state of mortal sin there isn’t any good act that you can perform that justifies that situation: the person remains in grave sin. We believe that God created everyone good, and that God wants the salvation of all men, but that can only come about by conversion of life. And so we have to call people who are living in these gravely sinful situations to conversion. And to give the impression that somehow there’s something good about living in a state of grave sin is simply contrary to what the Church has always and everywhere taught.

***LSN: So when the man in the street says, yes, it’s true these people are kind, they are dedicated, they are generous, that is not enough?

***CB: Of course it’s not. It’s like the person who murders someone and yet is kind to other people…

LSN: What genuine pastoral care would you recommend for people in those situations, and what can they obtain from practicing their faith insofar as that is possible when they cannot obtain absolution or receive Holy Communion?

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-interview-cardinal-burke-says-confusion-spreading-among-catholics


18 posted on 03/27/2015 5:17:31 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: ansel12; All
I didn't make "the false claim, the lie". All I did was post the article. Here's the link:

FULL TEXT OF CARDINAL RAYMOND BURKE INTERVIEW

19 posted on 03/27/2015 5:20:13 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: ansel12

It looks like you beat me by three minutes.


20 posted on 03/27/2015 5:22:01 PM PDT by EveningStar
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