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Redistributing wealth may be all that staves off collapse
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | March 20, 2015 | Robert Reich

Posted on 03/22/2015 9:12:40 AM PDT by artichokegrower

It’s now possible to sell a new product to hundreds of millions of people without needing many, if any, workers to produce or distribute it.

At its prime in 1988, Eastman Kodak, the iconic American photography company, had more than 145,000 employees. In 2012, Kodak filed for bankruptcy.

The same year Kodak went under, Instagram, the world’s newest photo company, had 13 employees serving 30 million customers.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: communism; economy; liberalagenda; robertreich; wealthredistribution
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To: oh8eleven

I was at Kodak when the fatal decision was made. In short, they confused distributors with customers - they focused on serving the retail stores, ignoring who was actually paying for the products.


41 posted on 03/22/2015 10:00:48 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Zeneta
Clearly Kodak didn’t make the transition to a digital world.
Sure they did - they came out of bankruptcy in 2013 and are still in business.
They just aren't profitable - they lost $118 million in 2014.
42 posted on 03/22/2015 10:06:16 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: ctdonath2
I was at Kodak when the fatal decision was made.
I was there for 34 years when MANY fatal decisions were made.
43 posted on 03/22/2015 10:09:15 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: riri

Very simple, in theory. The free market, which has really only existed anywhere for the last few hundred years but has spread in various forms around the world, is essentially an economy of scarcity.

People are rewarded by the extent to which they provide scarce resources others want. If the only resource you provide is one for which there is more supply than demand, you’ll make little money, if you have a job at all.

If the resource you provide is in higher demand than supply, your compensation soars. There is only one Rush Limbaugh. He makes a lot of money because tens of millions of people want what only he can provide.

Meanwhile, millions of people drive vehicles as their employment. Many of these jobs are going to disappear in the next few years. Most of the people thereby left unemployed will not be able to do the “new jobs” and in fact will not be capable of being trained to do so.

Extrapolate to all other areas of the economy.

The free market has had a hell of a run, and it’s produced enormous good for humanity. But, sadly, I expect it’s in the early stages of being counter-productive for most people.

With more and more people competing for the few jobs those on the mid to low end of the IQ scale can go, compensation will obviously drop. Supply and demand. It will correspondingly soar for those capable of doing the jobs for which demand still exceeds supply. Essentially all of which require high intelligence.

This means that more and more people will be “falling out the bottom” of the job market. No demand for anything they’re capable of doing.

This will not, IMO, mean poverty. The world of the future will be so productive there will be more than enough to go around. But do we leave control of the economy or even the political system in control of those increasingly few who are still in economic demand?

If not, it there any other other way to organize the economy other than by government redistribution?


44 posted on 03/22/2015 10:09:27 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

The life of a hunter gatherer or a subsistence farmer is not very appealing. Technology definitely has its drawbacks but no one wants to go back to the past.


45 posted on 03/22/2015 10:09:49 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

he also misses the point that Kodak cameras were expensive, people used to have to save up for a year to get a cheap one.


46 posted on 03/22/2015 10:10:05 AM PDT by dila813
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To: artichokegrower

Robert Reich.

Yuk !!

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47 posted on 03/22/2015 10:11:18 AM PDT by Mears (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."Voltaire))
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To: Sherman Logan

Create value through artisan craft. Cottage industries, hand-made one-of-a-kind products. When the Star Trek replicator will be able create any product from a pre-defined library of patterns and templates, the new status symbol will be a hand-distilled liquor in a hand-blown glass, neither of which you can own unless you meet their makers in person.


48 posted on 03/22/2015 10:13:35 AM PDT by lump in the melting pot (Half-brother is Watching You!)
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To: cripplecreek
A lot of the patents on digital imaging were held by Kodak. They just didn't want anything to interfere with their film business and the refusal to face that fact killed them. Reich wants to do this on a national level by doing his best to have government choke or at least yoke innovation. Does he think that those few he listed need to stay in the United States? Let's say Australia decides to put on a flat tax and reasonable and low level of regulations and welcomed those like the manufacturer of the chemical detection equipment he listed. How would Reich propose to keep him from flying to Australia and staying there? What happens to Reich's plans to chain that inventor to his fellow man then?

Reich is proposing using taxes, welfare and regulation to sabotage (a word derived from the shoes textile workers would throw into the mechanized looms to keep them from replacing the workers) production and innovation. But that will only work if everywhere in the world does it, and I expect some countries will see freedom to their competitive advantage. For a long time the U.S. was that country, but unless we can toss aside the economic ideal of Reich and Obama we will fall behind.

49 posted on 03/22/2015 10:13:46 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Darth Obama on 529 plans: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.)
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To: Mouton

Good point.


50 posted on 03/22/2015 10:15:11 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: artichokegrower

Wealth redistribution: the government decides who the company is going to give money to, ie. to idiots voting for government.

It is straight up fascism


51 posted on 03/22/2015 10:16:07 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: artichokegrower

Quite right.

But what has historically happened to hunger-gatherers such as American Indians or Australian Aborigines when they are forced to settle, even with vastly more comfortable lives materially?

The lives led by those with no real role in society, whether in an American ghetto, on an Indian reservation in USA or Canada, or in a British slum, are not attractive.

People have historically gotten much if not all of their sense of purpose from filling an economic need, their job, if you will. A Comanche on the reservation today has a great deal more and better “stuff” than his ancestors did when they were Lords of the Plains. But he’ll often be the first to agree his life has a lot less purpose,

My prediction is that for more and more people there will BE no economic need they are capable of filling. How do these people find meaning or purpose in their lives? History is not encouraging in this regard.


52 posted on 03/22/2015 10:17:38 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: artichokegrower

Robert, instead of yammering about wealth redistribution all the time, you’d have much more credibility and appear to be much less of a hypocrite if you’d step up to the plate and lead by example by, say, giving away 90% of your wealth. I’m sure that would still leave you plenty and still better off than people who live below the poverty level. Until you do that, I’m afraid it appears that you are just another “progressive” hypocrite who wants to give away OTHER peoples’ money.


53 posted on 03/22/2015 10:19:28 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: artichokegrower
Redistributors are always interested in redistribution. It's what they're paid - and very handsomely - for. In theory it's all butterflies and unicorns; in practice you never see redistribution reaching the administrative class.

A free market is actually a pretty rare thing - the black market comes closest, but even it is shaped by the efforts of the government to shut it down. It isn't and never has been a choice between free and planned markets, but simply to what degree the market can be controlled for the benefit of those who intend to ride it without participating, before that control kills it.

Certainly some interference is present even in what is otherwise considered a "free" market - the Founders intended to, and did for awhile, run an entire federal government on imposts.

There is an interesting study of the overall issue by Bertrand de Jouvenal entitled The Ethics of Redistribution. Highly recommended.

54 posted on 03/22/2015 10:19:39 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Sherman Logan

Hunter-gatherers, not hunger-gatherers. Though, come to think of it...


55 posted on 03/22/2015 10:19:53 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

The situation does pose a dilemma. What happens when most jobs have been automated away?


I suspect a lot of people will be warehoused, spending their time on their smartphones, social media, watching TV, or smoking weed.


56 posted on 03/22/2015 10:20:13 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Sherman Logan
Is there any way to run a world in which there is very little economic demand for services most people are capable of providing other than redistribution by the government?

I've been pondering that issue for a while now, myself. I see at work every day what happens when someone tries to do a job that they, quite frankly, don't have the intelligence for. The shake-outs get ugly, but because there's so much legal and political pressure to keep people on, the result is a long, drawn-out battle, with the morale of the whole floor taking a hit.

There has got to be some kind of dignified work for people who are dumber than doornails.
57 posted on 03/22/2015 10:22:12 AM PDT by Ellendra (People who kill without reason cannot be reasoned with.)
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To: lump in the melting pot

How many people are suited intellectually and by talent to become artists? You really think most people who lose their jobs as taxi or truck drivers will become artists?

I am fairly far over on the right side of the IQ scale, and if I had to make a living as an artist or musician I’d be in serious trouble.


58 posted on 03/22/2015 10:22:37 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

I wouldn’t be surprised if one possibility — as an option for those who are so inclined — is a resurgence of utopian communities. Like the (real) Amish. Go be a pioneer. Be a farmer. Work hard, be self-suffient, use less technology, but not no technology.

Some folks would find it appealing. The alternative may be to live in a big city high-rise and surg facebook all day long.


59 posted on 03/22/2015 10:23:04 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Victim" -- some people eagerly take on the label because of the many advantages that come with it.)
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To: artichokegrower

When Robert and his wife start redistributing *their* money maybe I’ll read what he is writing. Maybe he should sell is expensive seats at symphony.

His seats used to be in front of mine at symphony. It was for seeing the orchestra.


60 posted on 03/22/2015 10:23:26 AM PDT by ladyjane
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