Legal experts: Cruz’s Canadian birth won’t keep him out of the Oval Office

Washington Post ^ | March 12 at 12:10 PM | Robert Barnes

[freedom6178]

[President Walker,Vice-president Cruz.....Governors do things, senators vote on things that other people do]

Governor Walker is my Governor, and for that I am very grateful. I think he would make a wonderful President. I have a great appreciation for Ted Cruz, though. His beliefs and principles I so admire. I could and would support either.

[DiogenesLamp]

Why do people keep bringing up this issue? It serves no other purpose than to generate strife. It also serves no other purpose than to draw attention to the issue.

If people aren't thinking about it, they aren't going to worry about it, but if you keep spreading the question around, people are going to start to ponder it.

We need people pondering issues, and how the Democrats are wrecking our country, not whether he's eligible or not.

[DiogenesLamp]

I wish somebody could get the Supremes to define the term and we could drop the issue. :)

Now this is a statement to which I take exception. The Supreme court might declare what the legions of Government Arms will enforce, but they can't actually change REALITY.

It is like saying " I wish the Supreme Court would hurry up and define Pi."

Sorry, they can't. Besides, any body that interprets the 14th amendment as allowing Abortion and Gay Marriage is not a body I would want "interpreting" anything.

[Ray76]

I think the articles are written to lure good conservatives and to mislead into accepting falsities, and is an effort to legitimate Obama.

[DiogenesLamp]

Congress has no power over any citizenship other than naturalization. To say otherwise is to say that they can modify the Constitution at will, and amendment is utterly useless.

And this is a point I simply cannot get anyone on the other side to grasp. Their eyes glaze over every time you try to make them understand that.

Congress can't modify the Constitution. The Supreme Court Can't modify the Constitution. The President Can't modify the Constitution.

Meanings of constitutional terms cannot be changed by Congressional acts or Judicial "Interpretations."

[ansel12]

Well, that and other things, like being a Ron Paul devotee.

[DiogenesLamp]

The only problem with my theory is that it appears Congress has changed the definition of who is a citizen at birth several times. Which conflicts badly with a constitutional definition of NBC.

Keep going... you are starting to "get it." How can Congress modify the meaning of a Constitutional requirement at their whim? Well they can't.

They can create Citizens through their power of naturalization, but they cannot make them "natural" citizens.

[Perdogg]

I cite the US Constitution, Section 1 of the 14th Amendment and a real lawyer professor, William A Jacobson

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/09/natural-born-citizens-marco-rubio-bobby-jindal-ted-cruz/

[Perdogg]

read this my friend

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/09/natural-born-citizens-marco-rubio-bobby-jindal-ted-cruz/

[Perdogg]

Or you can be like Jerome Corsi and believe Obama was born both in HI and Kenya.

[OneWingedShark]

Is recognition the same as definition?

[DiogenesLamp]

I cite the US Constitution, Section 1 of the 14th Amendment and a real lawyer professor, William A Jacobson

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/09/natural-born-citizens-marco-rubio-bobby-jindal-ted-cruz/

Well i'll go you one better than that. I'll cite the Entire Supreme court in their ruling "Wong Kim Ark."

A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized,...

[OneWingedShark]

The biggest problem I see is that there is absolutely nothing constraining the accumulation of debt — tying the money to a physical medium is far less a danger than what we have now… which is, essentially, Congress selling us into slavery.

[Perdogg]

That is true. However, the key word is “jurisdiction”. An American Airman whose British wife gives birth in a London hospital to baby boy - the boy is subject to the jurisdiction of the US, therefore a citizen at birth, therefore making him nbC.

[DiogenesLamp]

That is true. However, the key word is “jurisdiction”. An American Airman whose British wife gives birth in a London hospital to baby boy - the boy is subject to the jurisdiction of the US, therefore a citizen at birth, therefore making him nbC.

Well if "Subject to the Jurisdiction thereof" as mentioned in the 14th amendment gives US Jurisdiction over the children of Illegal Immigrants, than applying the exact same rule in the exact same way gives England "Jurisdiction" over babies born in their country.

Do we use one rule when we apply the concept domestically and another rule when we apply it abroad? Cause I thought the word was supposed to mean the same thing in all cases.

Besides that, i've got an even better argument i'll post in the next message. :)

[Ray76]

Cruz acquired citizenship by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, Pub.L. 82-414, as amended. That law designates the class of persons to which Cruz belongs as “citizen”.

The Supreme Court in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark is quite clear on this point: statutes “conferring citizenship upon foreign-born children of citizens” is naturalization.

[ansel12]

I've been called [essentially] traitor and phoney conservative for refusing to hold Cruz to a different standard than Obama.

Sorry, but 66 was supposed to be posted to your post 52, not your post 53.

It is 52 that calls for it to be pointed out that as you work against Cruz, that you are part of what is left of the Ron Paul crew.

[Perdogg]

What is Ted Cruz’s naturalization number?

[DiogenesLamp]

That is true. However, the key word is “jurisdiction”. An American Airman whose British wife gives birth in a London hospital to baby boy - the boy is subject to the jurisdiction of the US, therefore a citizen at birth, therefore making him nbC.

My better argument is to include what the Supreme court said BEFORE that quote I excerpted.

Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization. A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized, ...

I read it as the Supreme court declaring that "Jurisdiction" means within the actual borders.

[Perdogg]

No it does not. The parents would be here illegally which would exclude their children under Section 2 - Children of illegal occupiers of the US would not be.