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Chief justice could again swing Obamacare case in government's favor
Philly.com ^ | 02/24/2015 | Lawrence Hurley

Posted on 02/24/2015 7:53:56 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three years ago, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts cast the tie-breaking vote in a ruling that saved President Barack Obama’s signature healthcare reform. As the high court prepares to weigh another challenge that could shatter Obamacare, a review of Roberts’ recent votes and opinions suggest he could again sway the case the government's way.

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To: Bubba_Leroy

“In order to save Obamacare, Roberts rewrote it as one big tax bill, even though Obama and the Democrats had repeatedly claimed that it was not a tax.”
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Oddly enough, the first time I heard the bill referred to as a tax, before it was passed, was when I heard Rush play a clip where Obama was claiming it was not a tax, and Rush interrupted the tape to scream “It’s a tax!!! Plain and simple.” Maybe Roberts was listening to Rush.


21 posted on 02/24/2015 8:46:32 AM PST by Regal
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; peyton randolph; LucyT; Fred Nerks; null and void
Three years ago, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts cast the tie-breaking vote in a ruling that saved President Barack Obama’s signature healthcare reform.

As everyone is aware, there is extensive gossip in the political community to the effect that Roberts and his wife have only two children who were adopted.

They were purportedly born in a foreign jurisdiction and there were in place legal constraints that effectively precluded US persons from adopting children born there under the circumstances of the Roberts adoption.

So to avoid those restrictions, the adoption was accomplished through the device of a third country system. Whether or not the third country worked to accomplish an effective adoption or not is not clear from the level of gossip in circulation.

The presumed threat is that the Roberts' could lose their two children several years down the road from the initial adoption events.

The end consequence of this condition, as reported by loose talk and political gossip, is that Roberts' vote on Obamacare was leveraged by the zero in the White House to uphold legislation that everyone knows is unconstitutional on its face.

I do not know what, if any, merit, substance, or facts exist to support the gossip.

I think it is and was the obligation of the Senate Judiciary Committee to know stuff like this. The gossip alone, unrefuted that it is by any authoritative response, affects confidence in our Constitutional process.

What should be done is that House Judiciary should immediately schedule a hearing on the issue and subpoena Justice Roberts to explain the actual facts.

Why House Judiciary instead of the Senate? Because that is where impeachment proceeding would be initiated. If this fairy tale is true, Roberts should be impeached immediately.

22 posted on 02/24/2015 8:49:46 AM PST by David
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Might not Roberts simply reason that those States who did not establish their own exchange have simple “delegated” their authority to do so to the Feds?
23 posted on 02/24/2015 8:55:20 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Back in November 2014, Barney Frank was quoted here on FR as stating: "One of the key architects of of Obamacare, Jonathan Gruber, has explained that they specifically wanted subsidies available only to the state-established exchanges - to provide a strong carrot and stick to Governors and State legislatures to “play ball” with the Federal Government. They simply did NOT expect 36 States to turn down free Fed money."

This statement should be bolded and circulated widely.

Frank's statement, while he may not have intended to be so "frank" (pun intended), is a statement of fact which indicates the sheer arrogance of the Obama-Reid-Pelosi team and their rubber stamp Democrats.

Arrogance and an underestimation of the intelligence and will of "the People" who are their bosses in the States brought about this "mistake" which the Supreme Court should not legitimize by allowing any other interpretation of the word "mistake" when applied to the abominable Trojan Horse legislation masked as having to do with health care in America.

Gruber's description, coming from a complicit architect of ACA, should be accepted as evidence of intent, and "the People" and "States" have spoken!

24 posted on 02/24/2015 8:57:17 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Last time, “Obamacare is not a tax” meant “Obamacare is a tax”. This time, “exchanges established by the states” might mean “exchanges established by FedGov”. If Chief Justice Roberts votes that way, it’s time to give up on peacefully restoring the rule of law. We will no longer be a constitutional republic, and FedGov will have no legitimacy. Only physical force can compel free Americans to obey an illegitimate government, and I’m not sure even FedGov force will be enough if the Court disregards the plain language of a terrible and destructive law.


25 posted on 02/24/2015 9:08:49 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Upside down and inside out.


26 posted on 02/24/2015 9:09:22 AM PST by Ray76 (Obama says, "Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I am sure they can find a foreign law or a evaporative pnumbra as the source that makes Obamacare okay.


27 posted on 02/24/2015 9:10:01 AM PST by GeronL
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

UN elites supporting UN goals.


28 posted on 02/24/2015 9:12:36 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“It’s like deja vu all over again” Yogi Berra

SSDD

Besides, who really gives two shakes of a rat’s tail what the SCOTUS rules. Or for that matter, the entire government. I’ll do what I please, ignoring whatever laws I don’t like. Just like the half breed does.


29 posted on 02/24/2015 9:27:26 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: NTHockey

-— I’ll do what I please, ignoring whatever laws I don’t like. Just like the half breed does. -—

Unless Cruz is elected, only civil disobedience will stop this thing.


30 posted on 02/24/2015 9:32:50 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Government’s favor = People’s disadvantage.


31 posted on 02/24/2015 9:39:57 AM PST by 353FMG
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To: Bubba_Leroy
"In order to save Obamacare, Roberts rewrote it as one big tax bill, even though Obama and the Democrats had repeatedly claimed that it was not a tax. I don’t think Roberts will have any trouble rewriting it again so that an “Exchange established by the State” means an exchange established by the feds or a state."

I fear you are right. Dictatorships usually have a compliant judiciary to give them the cloak of legitimacy. The US seems to be following the model of Venezuela under Chavez and now Maduro. If Roberts fixes Obamacare again, we will know that the US cannot be fixed from within the system and the citizenry and conservative groups will have to make a crucial decision on what to do next.

32 posted on 02/24/2015 9:57:11 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Ray76
Sure it is, but I cannot think of any other reasoning that could justify not striking down the subsidies. Also, if Fed subsidies go directly from DC to individuals, then “States” get no subsidies, right? Just trying to gin up an excuse for Roberts to deny the obvious.
33 posted on 02/24/2015 10:25:45 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Regal; All

” Roberts did more than cast the deciding vote. He wrote an opinion that did backward flips to strain logic.”

Roberts was allegedly a top legal scholar at Harvard Law School. No scholar could write this pretzel logic drivel, unless they were coerced. This is Joe Biden territory.


34 posted on 02/24/2015 10:28:26 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: Ray76
-- It would be an out and out lie. --

Courts are in the business of lying and making the lie sound like the truth.

35 posted on 02/24/2015 10:28:48 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Bubba_Leroy

“In order to save Obamacare, Roberts rewrote it as one big tax bill, even though Obama and the Democrats had repeatedly claimed that it was not a tax.”

Correct. He will screw us.


36 posted on 02/24/2015 10:29:34 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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At issue is whether the IRS, by providing tax credits to those who enrolled through Federally established and operated exchanges, violated the law.

PPACA SEC. 1401 creates section 36B of the Internal Revenue Code:

SEC. 1401(a) In General.--Subpart C of part IV of subchapter A of chapter 1 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to refundable credits) is amended by inserting after section 36A the following new section:

SEC. 36B (a) In General.--In the case of an applicable taxpayer, there shall be allowed 
             as a credit against the tax imposed by this subtitle for any taxable year 
             an amount equal to the premium assistance credit amount of the taxpayer for
             the taxable year.

         (b) Premium Assistance Credit Amount.--For purposes of this section--
        
             (1) In general.-- <> The term `premium assistance 
                 credit amount' means, with respect to any taxable year, the sum 
                 of the premium assistance amounts determined under paragraph (2)
                 with respect to all coverage months of the taxpayer occurring 
                 during the taxable year.
 
             (2) Premium assistance amount.--The premium assistance amount determined
                 under this subsection with respect to any coverage month is the amount
                 equal to the lesser of--

                    ``(A) the monthly premiums for such month for 1 or more 
                          qualified health plans offered in the individual   
                          market within a State which cover the taxpayer, the 
                          taxpayer's spouse, or any dependent (as defined in 
                          section 152) of the taxpayer and which were enrolled in 
                          through an Exchange established by the State under 1311 
                          of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, or

                    ``(B) the excess (if any) of--
                           ``(i) the adjusted monthly premium for such 
                                 month for the applicable second lowest cost silver 
                                 plan with respect to the taxpayer, over
                          ``(ii) an amount equal to 1/12 of the product 
                                 of the applicable percentage and the taxpayer's 
                                 household income for the taxable year.
36B(b)(2) specifies the premium assistance amount is equal to the lesser of SEC. 36B(b)(2)(A) or SEC. 36B(b)(2)(B).

SEC. 36B(b)(2)(A) is explicitly specified as applying to an Exchange established by the State under 1311.

For SEC. 36B(b)(2)(B) to be given effect SEC. 36B(b)(2)(B) must necessarily also refer to Exchanges established by the State under 1311, otherwise 36B(b)(2) would be meaningless because a taxpayer can not be enrolled in both a state and federal exchange and whichever is the lesser amount applies.

Courts would have to either ignore the explicit and unambiguous letter of the law and introduce the absurdity that SEC. 36B(b)(2)(A) “Exchange established by the State under 1311" includes “Exchange established by the Federal government under 1321", or simply read out of SEC. 36B(b)(2)(A) “Exchange established by the State under 1311".

The law is not ambiguous or unreasonable, Congress’ intent is clear. There are no "errors" for the judiciary to correct.

The court can not reconstruct a statute to satisfy an agency’s claim or to provide cover for their illegal acts.

The act explicitly provides tax credits for Exchanges established by the State and excludes tax credits for Exchanges established by the Federal government. This was intended as an inducement to states to establish exchanges. Many states did not establish exchanges, this was not anticipated by the authors of PPACA.

A recently made claim revolves around the meaning of "such an exchange", that this phrase makes “Exchange established by the State under 1311" equivalent to “Exchange established by the Federal government under 1321". This claim is based on SEC. 1311 (d)(1)

(d)(1) In general.--An Exchange shall be a governmental agency or nonprofit entity that is established by a State. 
and SEC. 1321 (c)(1)(B)(ii)(II) of the PPACA, parts of which I've highlighted.
(c) FAILURE TO ESTABLISH EXCHANGE OR IMPLEMENT REQUIREMENTS.—
  (1) IN GENERAL.—If—
     (A) a State is not an electing State under subsection (b); or
     (B) the  Secretary  determines,  on  or  before  January 1, 2013, that an electing State—
        (i) will not have any required Exchange operational by January 1, 2014; or
        (ii) has not taken the actions the Secretary deter- mines necessary to implement—
               (I) the other requirements set forth in the standards under subsection (a); or
               (II) the requirements set forth in subtitles A and C and the amendments made by such sub- titles;
               the Secretary shall (directly or through agreement with a not- for-profit entity) establish and 
               operate such Exchange within the State and the Secretary shall take such actions as are
               necessary to implement such other requirements.
The Federal government can not compel States to establish an Exchange, it can and has offered inducements to establish such an Exchange. If a State rejects the inducements and has not established an Exchange then the Secretary shall [ ] establish and operate such Exchange within the State that did not establish such an Exchange.

SEC. 36B(b)(2)(A) of the IRS code clearly states "Exchange established by the State". It does not say "Exchange established within the State".

Administration lawyers are attempting to obfuscate by claiming there is ambiguity where none exists, and absent that they are attempting to generate ambiguity. The law is clear: the act explicitly provides tax credits for Exchanges established by the State and excludes tax credits for Exchanges established by the Federal government.

37 posted on 02/24/2015 10:50:14 AM PST by Ray76 (Obama says, "Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

38 posted on 02/24/2015 10:55:11 AM PST by Bratch
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The libs always win so they will win again. The only time they don’t win is when it comes to higher taxes for wealthy and corporations. It seems like the country clubbers take conservative positions just to trade them off for these tax breaks. They prove Lenin’s, dictum, “the capitalist will sell the rope to his own hanging”.


39 posted on 02/24/2015 11:45:46 AM PST by amnestynone (A big government conservative is just a corporatist who is not paying enough taxes.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Could? I’d say with Roberts it’s a certainty.


40 posted on 02/24/2015 11:46:32 AM PST by dfwgator
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