Posted on 02/22/2015 7:05:35 AM PST by Leaning Right
Below, we demonstrate that the U.S. keeps “losing” war after war.
There are 3 potential reasons this might be happening:
•Is this chaos an intentional way to implement regime change and grab resources?
•Or is this a sign of the decline of the American empire … and we just can’t win a war anymore?
•Or do those in charge just not really give a damn about winning … and are they just focusing on one short-term goal after another?
(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...
As I noted in post #16, a real problem is that we have allowed a "declaration of war" to be replaced by an "authorization to use force". A declaration of war is a serious thing, and it requires careful thought beforehand. An authorization, not so much.
It is said that democracies should go to war reluctantly, and fiercely. Since 1945, it has pretty much been the opposite of that. We go to war casually, and then fight them halfheartedly.
On June 27, 1950, President Truman issued the following statement:
"The attack upon Korea makes it plain beyond all doubt that communism has passed beyond the use of subversion to conquer independent nations and will now use armed invasion and war. It has defied the orders of the Security Council of the United Nations issued to preserve international peace and security. In these circumstances the occupation of Formosa by Communist forces would be a direct threat to the security of the Pacific area and to United States forces performing their lawful and necessary functions in that area. "Accordingly, I have ordered the 7th Fleet to prevent any attack on Formosa. As a corollary of this action, I am calling upon the Chinese Government on Formosa to cease all air and sea operations against the mainland. The 7th Fleet will see that this is done. The determination of the future status of Formosa must await the restoration of security in the Pacific, a peace settlement with Japan, or consideration by the United Nations."
Where was zero chance of the Chicoms attacking Formosa, what Truman was really doing was negating MacAuthors strategy of threatening a possible attack on China from Formosa. The Chicoms had several divisions to troops stationed across the straight in order to repulse a possible attack. With the US Navy guarding the enemy flank guess where those troops went? Yup Korea.
One of the first things Ike did as president was to stop guarding the enemies flank. Again from wiki
On February 2, 1953, the new President lifted the Seventh Fleet's blockade in order to fulfill demands by anticommunists to "unleash Chiang Kai-shek" on mainland China.
Needless to say the war ended quickly once the US had a leader (Eisenhower) that knew how to effectively wage war.
Most of the time we are on the wrong side. We should stick to America and stay out of these nasty pickles—and if we are attacked—strike hard and without mercy. Go in—No “nation Building” put a local general (Tyrant) in charge and get out. No trying to get rights for people and gays. Let them figure this out.
Bush has dealt with 10 years 24-7 of freaking constant anti-Bush propaganda. Bush needed to be able to position our troupes in islamic countries and use countries that we were not currently attacking to stage our troupes....kind of hard to get that cooperation if you are attacking their religion.
As for home ownership and islamic propaganda he used to gain access to countries he needed, what the heck does that have to do with military stratagem in the Middle East and if Bush positioned us successfully to deal with any islamic problem on their home soil???? You want to believe constant democrat propaganda designed to destroy a brilliant military success designed to positions us to deal with the whole islamic world in their home countries you go ahead and fall for bs. I might have wanted a different solution for the Middle East but I can be honest and actually see what was put in place to protect us long term without destroying a religion that needs destroying(which would only make us great evil propaganda for Russia and China).
Bush, dealt with the Middle East the only way he could without becoming ourselves, the next great evil, and gave us a long term solution to deal with its problems that pop up constantly because of that evil religion, that democrats have now destroyed and are treasonously importing muslims in huge numbers so we can have that war here now in a few years, while they try and take our guns.
We went from brilliant military stratagem to treason and you fell for the propaganda that has allowed it to happen.
IMHO, Bush II should have declared war against the Taliban right after 9/11.
It was an operation Financed and Perpetrated by the House of Saud, and that is who the declaration should have been against. The Taliban is a Straw Man.
Had we just walked away from Japan after WWII, or had no involvement in Europe after WWII, we would have ‘lost’ those victories as well. If we had imposed American administration over Iraq after that war, the anti-American crowd would be screaming about imperialism, but there would have been no ISIS in Iraq. What would have been better for the Iraqi people?
There is evidence pointing in that direction. But what would their motive be? Certainly the Saudis feared Saddam's Iraq, but why would they want us to get involved in Afghanistan instead?
There is reasoned discussion on this thread. But if any presidential candidate or freeper posting questions the endless continuing of this same path, they are excoriated.
“Do something” can be an expensive, deadly, and fruitless plan.
Bush II did do that, unfortunately he chose the arrogant and inept Paul Bremer to be the head administrator. I don't think Bremer made a correct decision the entire time he was there. And that's on Bush as well as on Bremer.
But your point about Japan and Germany is very well taken. It is worth noting that in both those cases the administrators were competent military folks.
Well said. Many folks point to the appeasement of Hitler in the 1930's as evidence that the "do something" model is correct. But the "do something" model also plunged Europe into a bloody and unnecessary war in 1914.
We will never know unless and until they release the pages from the 9/11 Commission that are being purposely withheld for “National Security” ,cough, reasons. However speculation is The House of Saud was behind the whole thing, along with hints from Members of Congress that have read it, say we will completely change our way of thinking about 9/11 and the World if they were released.
Letting Iraqis wander the streets with weapons, and giving them a say isn’t imposing an administration. Any and I mean ANY Iraqi with a weapon should have been shot on sight.
I take it then that you would say we lost the Revolutionary War? The War of 1812? In both, the enemy’s will to resist was eliminated by hardly its ability. One can argue that in the latter case American armed forces suffered most of the battlefield loses. But in both cases, the war aims of the United States were achieved. They were both victories, as was every conflict in which American armed forces have engaged, including all the wars that this article tries to sell as loses. Unless of course you don’t call them wars because they didn’t end like WWII, which most wars do not.
Bush was the first to push for home ownership for everybody (later tried to put all the blame on Democrats)....
And will continue to be disasters until the entire Hill pulls their heads out.
He was just a puppet, they all are...more and more the US is becoming what other nations in history have become, a land ruled by global oligarchs and filled with brainwashed serfs. Those who despise a free society on greedy/selfish grounds abuse/pervert those very freedoms on purpose to destroy freedom for others in order to feed their desire to have it all, for themselves.
...the golden rule of those who have the gold, rule. Everyone else merely become useful idiots, tools used to keep the gold in the hands of those who wield REAL power and influence.
Well compensated puppets are trained and put in place to make law/policy to benefit this exclusive members-only club...while putting on this facade of a representative form of gov. that includes all of the people.
...their tentacles also obviously reach deep into the media/academia world as well...might as well now just call those institutions..."serf factories".
...somewhere in the world there is a dark room where cigar smoking elites sit around drinking cognac and having a good laugh, while being equally amused at how easy it really was/is to...fool all of the people, all of the time.
Will all these shenanigans eventually lead to a collapse in the financial/social structure?...you bet...
...but not until the elites have lived long/prosperous lives, fulfilling their bucket-lists of debauchery...then the consequences merely become someone elses problem.
...they got theirs, that's all that matters.
To win you must either kill all enemy, or kill their desire to fight further.
We have become to pansy assed to kill them all, or do what is necessary to kill their desire to fight further.
When we start leveling cities, hanging them as spies and for war crimes, bombing funerals, speeches, and parades the terrorists are attending. THEN I will know we have gotten serious and actually want to win.
That's because we tie our soldiers hands and don't allow them to win. Since WWII we have only had one resounding victory and that was the first gulf war................and even that wasn't complete.
Most of the time you actually dictate that you will NOT WIN because you've intentionally tied your hands behind your back.
Actually the USA hasn’t fought a war to win it since 1947 when the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the USAF were created. We have been losers for 67 years.
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