Posted on 02/20/2015 6:25:55 AM PST by ckilmer
China has Erectric cars?
In the last 6 months the Chinese have been rapidly scaling up electric car production and sales from mostly nothing.
a small drop in the bucket compared to internal combustion engine car sales. But the Chinese have made a national policy of promoting and targeting electric cars in the same way they have done for a dozen other industries. So there is no small liklihood that their electric car numbers will continue to rise.
The only place anyone is making money is in China.
If they shut you out, you are screwed.
I would suggest to Tesla that they do what the others western companies are doing and learn how to launder money to the “party” so they can have access to that market.
that’s the puzzler about the article. they did not name the electric car companies so its hard to tell whether the sales were by toyota or gm or volkswagen or a homegrown chinese electric car company.
since tesla is having a hard time — its likely that even if a non chinese electic car company made some good sales — they will be elbowed out by chinese domestics in time.
China’s top ten selling vehicles (out of 2-3 million sold) are mostly VWs, followed by GM, but does include the Ford Focus. Until an EV cracks that top ten, they’re just a research project at best.
whoops I didn’t read carefully.
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EV-salesblogspot.com reported that Tesla was outsold by five domestic manufacturers in China: BYD, Kandi, Chery Zotye and BAIC.
“But the Chinese have made a national policy of promoting and targeting electric cars in the same way they have done for a dozen other industries.”
Yeah that’s the difference between a communist society and a Free one. Here it’s “will you buy our electric cars?”, and there it’s “YOU WILL buy our electric cars”.......................... At least it’s that way here for now.
The key to electric vehicle performance is the battery, and I doubt that China has any breakthroughs in that field that Tesla has to worry about.
I’ve been buying Chinese LiPos for my model airplanes for years, and their quality is just good enough to put into something that has a great risk of burying itself into the ground at 40 mph.
China’s top ten selling vehicles (out of 2-3 million sold) are mostly VWs, followed by GM, but does include the Ford Focus. Until an EV cracks that top ten, they’re just a research project at best.
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absolutely true.
so the appropriate question is.... are electric cars a successful research project (for the chinese)or not. Answer. so far the work looks promising (for the chinese).
The only thing worse than an American (or European...or Japanese...or Korean) made electric car is a *Chinese* made one.
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I’m sure that’s true but the Chinese are buying them in increasing volumes
Not as long as Musk's buddy 0 keeps pumping taxpayer dollars into the electric car boondoggle.
What about price?
Tesla’s competition is actually vehicles like the Mercedes S-, not like the Chevy Volt.
Here’s the crux:
http://chinaautoweb.com/2013/03/kandi-and-geely-team-up-to-promote-short-range-evs/
“...aims to become a leader in the market of low-speed and short-range EVs by applying the “Hangzhou model” (of EV promotion) to other Chinese cities. While not legalized by the central government largely because they are not highway-capable, those cars enjoy a wide popularity in certain regions like the Shandong province, where 83,300 low-speed EVs were reportedly sold last year, due to their low costs (they sell for usually 2-6 thousand US dollars) and the conveniences they afford for moving within a city. Hangzhou is one of several cities offering or planning to offer conditional licenses to them. In the capital of Zhejiang, people can drive a Kandi electric two-seater (shown in the pic below) by paying just 998 Yuan a month beyond a refundable deposit of 10,000 Yuan. “
That’s the ‘sweet spot’ economically for ecars. Big ecars are just toys.
And assuming that's true one must consider *where* they're getting the electricity.Anyone who's visited China recently (as I have) knows that the air quality there is absolutely disgusting.The clearest day *I've* ever seen there is *far* worse than the worst day I've ever seen in LA,NYC,The Ruhr Valley or London.
And while much of that pollution is surely coming from factories a good percentage of it is coming for the antiquated coal fired power plants that they bring online daily.
Maybe, it 10 to 15 years
Good luck repatriating any profit!
China is a 'cash trap' and a massive scheme to 'liberate'any and all trade secrets,manufacturing processes, anything they can use.
"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." V.I.L.
Exactly,,, Tesla has no more secrets from the Chinese..
Right.
The reason China is not making money on a Tesla clone is because the Tesla itself doesn’t make money, and apparently not even Chinese slave labor can push it into the black.
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