Posted on 02/17/2015 5:56:53 AM PST by HomerBohn
If the expected result is 2 deaths per 100k, then it’s little surprise we have no bodies with only 600 sick.
It was not widespread.
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To the average anti-vaxer, this is what constitutes evidence.
Meanwhile, vaccine researchers are filling the pipeline with new therapies to treat cancer, Alzheimer’s disease, malaria, TB, HIV, and more.
While everyone has an opinion of whether to vaccinate or not, the bigger question is whether I have the right to choose for myself whether to vaccinate or not.
It is not the government’s responsibility to decide for me. Whichever choice I choose, I will have to suffer the consequences of my decision.
If I choose to vaccinate, then I should be protected against infection. Right? I should be immune and cannot be infected regardless of whether anyone else is vaccinated or not. Right? So vaccination is a good choice for me. Right? It’s such an easy decision why should the government care?
No problems. No worries. What could go wrong?
“It is not the governments responsibility to decide for me” You are correct but if we are not careful that Right will be gone.
Have you seen this appalling Anti American attack on medical privacy and freedom? lined here http://time.com/3703769/vaccine-refusal-measels-addresses/
Excerpt “The virtues of disclosure are clear. Having your family’s name published as a potential hazard to public health would be a strong disincentive to obtaining an exemption for all but the most committed (i.e., delusional) anti-vaxxers. And the rest of us would be able to identify our unvaccinated neighbors, and our children’s unvaccinated schoolmates. This would be especially helpful to pregnant women and the parents and caregivers of children who are either too young to be vaccinated (the first measles mumps rubella vaccine isn’t given until after a baby’s first birthday) or have serious diseases like cancer (as in the case of the Marin County six year old recovering from leukemia) that compromise immune systems and preclude vaccination.
In effect, the question of how to handle unvaccinated children and their parents would move from the realm of school administrators to the community at large. And the community level is where the question is best addressed, since we encounter the unvaccinated not only at school but also in parks, churches, and stores.
There is some risk of community and personal conflict in this shift, to be sure, and anti-harassment laws would have to be strictly enforced. But there would also be potential for the kind of conversations necessary to change minds and get more children vaccinated.”
Should we be concerned at the vilification of “anti-vax” parents?
Yes, it takes a village to decide what's best for me and them. They should force everyone to get vaccinated or send the anti-vaxxers to a Leper, excuse me, Measles colony if they refuse. Then if they become infected the village will not be exposed to them. After they are cured and develop a natural immunity, they can rejoin to the village and carry on the crusade. /s
Again, I'm immune to the measles, so why should I care?
Meanwhile leftists are using the Measles Propaganda Epidemic to promote mandatory immunizations. Example here http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/17/health/vaccinations-are-states-call.html?_r=3
Quoting from the article “Can the government go further? Can officials require that citizens receive vaccines? The answer, legal experts say, is yes. The authority to require vaccination belongs to the states. “Each individual state really has complete power,” Mr. Gostin said.
There is a common misconception that the federal government controls vaccination, he added. But federal authority applies only with matters of national concern, such as border crossings or immigration.”
I ask you when Obama signs an executive order saying “you must immunize” what will happen then?
The “state really has complete power,” is absolutely Anti-American, socialist propaganda.
I think we should all care when politicians, media, etc advocate for giving up the Right to make our own medical/health decisions.
Even if people are OK with the current CDC immunization schedule how do you know what the future schedule will be? They do have over 300 new immunizations in the pipeline and not all of them will target children.
“”Saying that folks who are against vaccinations are using faulty science and endangering the health of their kids and others isn’t what the Nazis are known for.”””
I meant the people that demand that, against parents wishes, the government force the citizenry to vaccinate. THAT is the national socialist mindset I was referring to.
I agree. Our medical decisions are personal and should not be controlled by some bureaucrat or committee in Washington. Our choice of doctors, medical facilities, and individual courses of treatment as based on our financial status and medical conditions should be made by us for our benefit, not for the government or a village.
As to whether to vaccinate or not to vaccinate, it's a personal choice. Which is worse, the vaccine or the disease? You decide, not the government.
The CDC estimates are just as suspect in the US. Only 19 states report.
Measles just haven’t been a big deal here in the decades since vaccinations started.
If you get to choose for yourself whether to be vaccinated (a position I do have some sympathy for), do you think the rest of us have the right to know whether you’re vaccinated or not so we can choose for ourselves whether or not we want you around us or around unvaccinated children?
It seems to me that should be the trade-off an unvaccinated person makes in return for having that choice.
I have yet to see a Freeper advocate for forcing anyone to be vaccinated against their will.
I see the ObamaCare social media trolls are out and about trying to get people to not want vaccinations so ObamaCare can save money.
Lately it has been no mammograms, no prenatal care, no colonoscopies, no vaccinations, no preventative care at all.
I wouldn’t call those in favor of vaccinations Nazis.
I think deep down, most pro vaccine people really could not care less whether you vaccinate your kids or not: My kids have had their shots, they won’t get sick. It’s hard to work up a tear when other people’s kids get sick or die from lack of vaccine.
Go ahead, don’t vaccinate, let your kids grow up all natural, like in caveman days...lol. it’s no skin off my back.
No, I disagree. In my opinion medical information is personal and private. It may be shared with doctors, family members, and others if one chooses, not with strangers unless one wishes to do so. And certainly not with the government.
If one is around other people in public places they should expect to be exposed to whatever is out there. They have no control over who comes and goes in a public environment. Neither can they expect the government to provide or guarantee germ-free zones.
I am still amazed at how mankind has survived to this point without government intervention and the cradle to grave ideology. /s
I do support the quarantine of infected people with highly contagious diseases after they have been diagnosed. But that is not the same as thing as exposing people who have not been vaccinated.
Then those same adults argue that children who aren't receiving all of those immunization shots should stay away from everyone else.
Question: Are those same adults (not including those who work outside the medical field) submitting themselves to 26 immunization shots for 10 diseases within 18 months? Or do they just want to force children because children can be forced?
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