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1 posted on 02/15/2015 5:51:33 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Eesh...should they even be putting this information out there?


2 posted on 02/15/2015 5:54:41 PM PST by Patriot777 (Imagine....that we could see Obama being hauled out of the White House kicking and screaming?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Talk about defense regression.


3 posted on 02/15/2015 6:00:34 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Trident is nuclear-hardened. That means that close-by nukes will not knock an incoming warhead offline, nor stop the missile itself, assuring that the warhead would be delivered. The nuclear resistance is built in and is compex to accomplish.

A fighter plane, on the other hand, is quite vulnerable to nuclear pulses, doses, and neutrons.

Unless they are willing to harden the fighter planes, this is a serious degradation of capability. And you can’t harden a fighter plane too much more than the pilot.

Then there is the issue of the fighter escaping the detonation of a Trident-class warhead.


4 posted on 02/15/2015 6:06:47 PM PST by DBrow
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The only remotely positive thing I can see out of this is at least an “independent liberal think tank” seems to be accepting the principle that a nuclear deterrent of some sort is necessary.

Yes, Mr Kidd, nuclear weapons are a ‘moral obscenity’ and for the last sixty five or so years, the only thing stopping the obscene and immoral from using them is fear of the response. If you can miraculously prevent any chance of them being used by dictatorial regimes, then we can start talking about the idea of scaling them back in the hands of the free democratic countries protecting the world.


5 posted on 02/15/2015 6:21:36 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They think an F-35 will replace submarines??

Can an F-35 even reach Moscow on a tank of fuel??


6 posted on 02/15/2015 6:27:48 PM PST by GeronL
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Putin must be on the floor LAUGHING HIS BUTT OFF at Western Europe (and the United States, for that matter)...when he reads stories like this, or about us fielding LGBT battalions.


7 posted on 02/15/2015 6:55:10 PM PST by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Bad idea. Stop the dang global warming initiatives and put the money into defense.

England is going down the sh!£ tubes.


8 posted on 02/15/2015 6:55:21 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Submarines are inherently survivable. How much would it cost for enough nukes and places to be as survivable as the Trident fleet? My guess: subs are a very cheap way of assuring that Britain has a secure second-strike capability.

What they need to do is advertise Trident as a countermeasure to global warming. If the worst case scenario occurs, and global temperatures rise by nearly two degrees in the next century, one Trident sub can tip us into nuclear winter and cancel out a century of CO2. That option should make liberals happy.


9 posted on 02/15/2015 6:56:36 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Due to it’s survivability, there is no greater nuclear deterrent than a Trident missile submarine.

The same independent liberal think tank (talk about oxymorons) that earlier criticized the F-35 for being obsolete wants to entrust Britain’s nuclear deterrent on it.


11 posted on 02/15/2015 7:00:51 PM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If the F35 is how you approach your solution, your problem is about to get much worse.


14 posted on 02/15/2015 7:22:09 PM PST by jz638
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To: sukhoi-30mki
if this goes through, the UK might's well give up any further pretense of being a world power
15 posted on 02/15/2015 7:58:09 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

False economy. The strategic bombers will be destroyed in the air or on the ground. The Trident SSBN is a very different matter. They are the only delivery system that keeps aggressors awake at night because they are SURVIVABLE in a first strike scenario. It is the retaliation from the Boomers that the aggressor fears.


16 posted on 02/15/2015 8:32:18 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Now suddenly the slow speed and short legs of the F-35 matter,,,a lot.


18 posted on 02/15/2015 10:24:33 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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Replacing Trident with jets ‘would save £13bn’ (U.K.)

I got a better idea! Why doesn't formerly-Great Britain just totally disarm, and give all its nukes to ISIS! That would be the non-racist and liberal thing to do. Just disarm, and preemptively surrender to ISIS. I mean, hey, they imams need little British white girls to marry, anyway, so they won't blow up England.

22 posted on 02/16/2015 7:51:06 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Tridents are still a useful MAD tool. They could destroy an enemy long after their own nation had been rendered ruins. Deterrence rules.


23 posted on 02/16/2015 9:58:58 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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“Nuclear weapons are a moral obscenity and the prospect of wasting tens of billions of pounds on weapons of mass destruction at a time when more and more people are relying on foodbanks is utterly wrong.”

Didn't the people on the dole get bumped off the dole in countries like France once Germany occupied the country?

24 posted on 02/16/2015 10:33:02 AM PST by Eaker (You are really amazing Eaker. - Swordmaker 02/14/15)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Given how close the UK is to an Islamic takeover, I’d be happier if they got rid of the Tridents.


26 posted on 02/18/2015 2:46:11 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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