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Judge refuses mother's plea to treat terminally-ill son (Where Obamacare will end)
The Telegraph ^ | 14 Feb 2015 | Patrick Sawer

Posted on 02/14/2015 6:30:48 PM PST by NRx

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To: NRx

I don’t agree with the parents’ choices, but I am ever more against the decision being taken away from them by government.


21 posted on 02/14/2015 7:32:56 PM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: NRx

Can we sue the judge for malpractice?

Clearly the government owns your care now.


22 posted on 02/14/2015 7:44:48 PM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: Still Thinking

That is not the point!!!

The point is that PRior Obamacare anyone with insurance was NEVER denied treatment, and they were left with bills but had options on payment.

Now CARE can be specifically denied despite having insurance because the judge is your insurer!

Good bye America, genocide is here by political fiat.


23 posted on 02/14/2015 7:47:16 PM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: Sacajaweau

Fraudulent statement. A doctor would never force someone under the gun to get an operation.

Now a judge is your insurance and can deny care. Never was that possible with private insurance.


24 posted on 02/14/2015 7:50:10 PM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: Chickensoup

The purpose of medicine is human beings. The purpose of human beings is not medicine.

I don’t know if you’re aware of it, but that has become a contentious issue.


25 posted on 02/14/2015 7:55:16 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Paladin2

Yeah, if it were my daughter in that situation... I’ll just say that there would be some folks that would live in fear for the rest of their lives and leave it at that.


26 posted on 02/14/2015 8:09:03 PM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Paladin2

Reading the article is usually a good idea.

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27 posted on 02/14/2015 8:16:08 PM PST by Mears (c)
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To: Chickensoup
Interesting point, your term “for the best”.
Whose best?

The patient is 18, not 81.
No indications organs are shutting down.

I understand in the UK-they pay incredible amounts of taxes for universal health care.
Now they are rationing medical care for UK citizens?
I wonder why, what with the reports of free elective cosmetic surgery, and sex change operations, a true medical need for care is a worry for the hospital doctors or the courts.

Are they now looking at ROI (Returns on Investments)?
Or are they judging quality of life?

Is there a published chart for citizens to know exactly when they have exceeded their share of “free” medical care, or have been judged useless to the government?

Again, no indications of organ failure in this article.
So they are not artificially animating a dead body.
Unless you have more information not posted here.....

28 posted on 02/14/2015 8:21:32 PM PST by sarasmom (Je suis Charlie!)
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To: sarasmom

All I can say is that I am prolife but I see no problem in withdrawing futile care.


29 posted on 02/14/2015 8:25:12 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: sarasmom

And there is one major organ failure, the brain in this case.


30 posted on 02/14/2015 8:27:30 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Chickensoup

It may well be futile and torturous both but it is none of your business. It I’d the families business. There is no middle ground here, either you are on the governments side ot you recognize the rights of the family.


31 posted on 02/14/2015 8:31:18 PM PST by jwalsh07 (E)
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To: exit82

Thank you.


32 posted on 02/14/2015 8:34:32 PM PST by NRx
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Thank you.


33 posted on 02/14/2015 8:34:37 PM PST by NRx
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To: NRx

This just illustrates/proves the real downside of giving one human, no matter at what level of government, the power over another person. The US judicial system is loaded/contaminated with such ‘judges’. Society then moves by individuals not by accepted societal rules/laws. I have lived many years through many wars and seen such evil by people.


34 posted on 02/14/2015 9:10:59 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: Salman
A few judicial decisions, and then nothing but individual bureaucratic decisions.

Plus a few well-publicized prosecutions of physicians who continue to treat such patients for "overutilization." Doctors will learn to serve the state or they will be out of business.

35 posted on 02/14/2015 11:27:30 PM PST by TChad (The Obamacare motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: NRx

the rationing board in the UK is named “NICE”...talk about Orwellian language.

And they decide if you live or die: if you don’t meet the criteria, you die.

One notorious case was the Lockerbie bomber, in a Scottish prison, who was denied chemotherapy (and if you read between the lines it was because his age meant he didn’t meet the criteria). Ghadaffy had a fit and got him sent home to Libya, and guess what: The guy lived for two years on treatment.

It caused a bit of a scandal when he didn’t die on time, and lots of critics claimed he wasn’t at death’s door and shouldn’t have been released.

The fact he was terminal because they refused to treat him was carefully ignored in the press...


36 posted on 02/15/2015 1:17:48 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: LadyDoc

I wouldn’t have believed it if I hadn’t looked it up for myself. Whoever came up with that either never read C. S. Lewis, or they did and they’re very naughty.


37 posted on 02/15/2015 1:31:27 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: NRx

this is govt healthcare.

when the govt takes over healthcare, it has to pay the bills. it will then look to cut expenses whenever possible. elderly and dying patients are just liabilities to be removed as soon as possible

this is not conjecture or speculation.

this is historical fact.


38 posted on 02/15/2015 2:46:27 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: NRx

Without socialized medicine, there are eventually practical limits to the care that can be provided to a patient. The limit is financial, perhaps emotional.

With socialized medicine, there is the misconception that “everybody gets everything” and it’s “free” so there is no mechanism through which expectations for care are limited in the individual case.

Obviously somebody gave the family some reason to hope one more round of chemo could have some benefit.

Socialized medicine will ALWAYS end up limiting care. Politically connected will get the best care. Everyone else gets what is left.

This is an extreme that SHOULD be pointed out as part of the abomination of socialized medicine - because government is deciding where care ends instead of the individual or family.

If the family were actually paying for the care, chances are this would have ended long before this - but you never know - it would be up to the family to decide. That’s important.


39 posted on 02/15/2015 5:40:11 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: lavaroise
Oh please....It happens every day. The lust for life is sometimes so great that people will take the recommendations of the doctor....aka....doctor knows best.

Her sister, who was a nurse, was furious.

40 posted on 02/15/2015 5:56:25 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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