Most Vaccines Should be Voluntary

Politico ^ | 02/02/2015 | Adam Lerner

[azkathy]

Rand Paul: Most vaccines should be ‘voluntary’ By ADAM B. LERNER 2/2/15 2:42 PM EST Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) waded into the debate over vaccinations Monday, telling conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham that he thinks most vaccines should be “voluntary.” Paul, an ophthamologist and likely 2016 White House hopeful, expressed particular concern over mandatory vaccinations for sexually transmitted diseases. He criticized former Texas Gov. Rick Perry for his executive order mandating that Texas children receive the HPV vaccine. “I’m not anti-vaccine at all,” Paul said, but “I think that’s a personal decision.”

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[momtothree]

“... the mother can be tested for everything under the sun”.

I was tested for every STD imaginable while pregnant. The doctor advised me that birth involved a lot of “fluids” so they needed to know. I didn’t have an issue with it at all. Even while in labor, the staff asks about drugs/alcohol/recent piercings/tattoos/needle use etc... It is very common for any OB-GYN to test for an existing STD from his patient.

[Quickgun]

I took mandatory vaccinations in my first years in school in the ‘50s. They were a HUGE breakthrough in preventing disease and every parent that I knew of welcomed them, most of those parents having been brought up in families that didn’t get vaccines, and many had lost family members.

[KC_Conspirator]

I know. The anti-vaxxers are miniscule in number, so small as to not make a difference. But liberals make unsubstantiated allegations, and yet say nothing about the teeming hordes of illegals aliens with no immunizations and blindly trust the administration when they say its ok to have ebola.

[1malumprohibitum]

The hospitals have all the blood work of the mothers and know/should know which babies are at risk and which are not. Blanket Hep B vaccinations for all new borns in order to get the small # of children for whom it is indicated is madness. It is exactly like treating all americans as potential terrorists in order to stop islamic terrorists. When the vaccine “recommendations” are that stupid, you are insane not to question it.

[kaila]

Your reasoning does not make sense. If you get chickenpox as a child, you should have lifelong immunity to chickenpox. You will have a risk for shingles as you get older, and there is a vaccine you can take to prevent shingles. If you do get shingles, in most cases it is not life threatening.
However, if you get the chicken pox vaccination as a child, you run the high risk of losing immunity as an adult. How many adults in the age 30-50 range get vaccinations? None. They are too busy working and raising a family. The vaccine could wear off, just like we saw with smallpox. There is no statistics yet for duration of the chickenpox vaccine, because it is new. But there is quite a bit of speculation that the immunity wears off as you get older. You can die if you get chickenpox as an adult.
I would rather my kids ( which I do not have, but if I did) get chickenpox than take the vaccine. If the herd immunity is too strong, then I would vaccinate them at age 17.
I think in the long run, we are going to see decreasing immunity, adults too busy to get re vaccinated, and death from chickenpox.

[KC_Conspirator]

I am not. However it is a free country and if one has concerns about vaccines, then its their right not to get them.

[Mamzelle]

Most of the autism nonsense is from a single Lancet article. Since that time, reams of studies have been done to debunk the causal relationship between autism and vaccinations.

You clearly have a **pecuniary** interest in this hysteria. The CDC is as corruptible as any lawyer, as any highly placed NASA "scientist" at the NOAA. Let me pause to cast the deepest, darkest, loudest aspersions on the filthy SOBs who would make a whole nation vulnerable to nearly-erradicated diseases to LINE THEIR PURSES.

Autism remains a mystery, which is why the vaccination angle was a rope to cling to for so long. There are many theories and millions of dollars are going to find out why the incidence of autism has increased. Interestingly, one clue that keeps turning up is the relative age of the father at the time of birth.

Maybe old men should stay away from young wives and mothers? We could SUE them.

[kingu]

‘’This would never happen in a competitive free market, where vaccine producers would be ADVERTISING the quality, safety, and efficacy of their products along with data from third party validation services.’’ - Carry_Okie

And there is the crucial truth, socialized medicine AND an out of control legal system is what is making the vaccination industry so dark to the patient and their parents. Ultra low cost manufacturing because socialized medicine doesn't allow for choices, manufactures afraid to brand or even list ingredients as the exposure to future lawsuits is too great - we need to nail out these two monstrosities and we will once again have a nationwide world leading medical industry.

[Quickgun]

There are some right here on this forum that think Rick Perry was trying to force their children into sexual promiscuity. My question is, How are you ever going to convince those kind of people to make rational decisions?

[ifinnegan]

“I am not. However it is a free country and if one has concerns about vaccines, then its their right not to get them.”

Yeah.

And why is it always the wealthy loony left?

For example Marin Country, Barbara Boxer land, has among the highest percentage of unvaccinated kids.

And lo and behold, measles cases are beginning to crop up there.

I see the anti-vaccination hysteria in the same vein as the other anti-western, anti-Judeo-Christian ethos of the liberals and leftists.

It’s the same sort of rejection of what made the US exceptional.

[Mamzelle]

Well, talk to your doctor if this does not make sense. A virus lives on within you, but your immune system keeps it under control. Compromise that immunity with stress, a bad cold, etc…

Well, do you know anyone with the herpes virus that causes cold sores on the lips? Obviously, having a virus does not create permanent immunity.

IOW, maybe consider getting the shingles vaccine.

All vaccines have a certain rate of losing effectiveness over time--some more than others.

Leave your expectations of perfection to heaven.

Do with your children as you will. God help them...

[sheana]

It seems like everyone I know has had shingles lately so I went down and got a shingles vaccination. It uses a live virus and made me really sick for 2 days....but I would do it again.

[Black Agnes]

This is NOT the Lancet article.

Did you even bother to read what I posted?

The guy at the CDC, one of the authors of the paper that SUPPOSEDLY debunked the Lancet article, LIED.

Thompson != Wakefield.

The CDC author LIED.

They had data that LINKED the MMR with autism.

And if you admit the CDC is as likely as NASA to be corrupt, why would you believe ANYTHING from them. Including whether or not autism is linked to the MMR?

It’s just as likely that the ‘old man makes autistic children’ data was ALSO a lie.

[Mamzelle]

You can’t. I’ve always laughed at the way liberals call us right-wingers “anti science”—but you cannot convince hysterics with the simplest, clearest evidence.

[Mamzelle]

I didn’t say old men make autistic children. It’s just the only clear clue that has emerged in an exhaustive search. I was trying to illustrate by exaggeration. Correlation is not causation…though, it might lead to an answer of another sort. Maybe overuse of Viagra? Maybe that’d give you a whole new venue of lawsuits...

[Salgak]

Technically correct. You are free to refuse to vaccinate. Your employer is also free not to hire you, or to fire you for endangering the health of other employees.

And your children ? Feel free not to vaccinate them. But if not, be prepared to home-school them. . .

I could go on. . .

Freedom of choice does not exempt one from the consequences of that choice. . .

[GrandJediMasterYoda]

That’s pretty scary especially with this evil sonofabitch in the White house. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he mandated all Christians get injected with AIDs.

[taxcontrol]

Had I been forced to receive the vaccine for small pox as a child, I would have gotten small pox. There are medical reasons to not vaccinate a child. A child who is already vaccinated does not have anything to fear from a child that is not vaccinated.

Under current law (ADA, Civil rights act, etc) a public access school can not legally deny a child that needs a reasonable accommodation.

[Black Agnes]

“It’s just the only clear clue that has emerged in an exhaustive search.”

The same ‘exhaustive search’ that has been shown to be untrue in many other studies.

Read this one, for kicks:

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/27/47851.htm

[Mamzelle]

Notice I didn't say you should be forced by law! There is even a controversy about the shingles vaccine, which has a limited effectiveness compare with some vaccines. Some doctors don't even recommend it. Occasionally, it will bring on a case of shingles. But, over all, I think it's a better idea to get the vaccine than not. This is a decision that can be negotiated in a rational manner.

But, the primitive emotions that these decisions stir in those who have no real historical memory of disease in the 20th century!