Most Vaccines Should be Voluntary

Politico ^ | 02/02/2015 | Adam Lerner

[azkathy]

Rand Paul: Most vaccines should be ‘voluntary’ By ADAM B. LERNER 2/2/15 2:42 PM EST Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) waded into the debate over vaccinations Monday, telling conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham that he thinks most vaccines should be “voluntary.” Paul, an ophthamologist and likely 2016 White House hopeful, expressed particular concern over mandatory vaccinations for sexually transmitted diseases. He criticized former Texas Gov. Rick Perry for his executive order mandating that Texas children receive the HPV vaccine. “I’m not anti-vaccine at all,” Paul said, but “I think that’s a personal decision.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/rand-paul-vaccines-114834.html#ixzz3QhA3J7zr

[Mase]

Plenty of people feel guilty for years before they finally cop to bad behavior.

So guilty, in fact, he's hiding behind a mouthpiece known for obtaining large cash awards for whistleblowers.

Perhaps he met an African American child with severe autism and had personal experience with the results of his data exclusion.

Perhaps he had a disagreement with a colleague about how to interpret data and they made fun of him?

Perhaps he had a medical scare of some sort and feared meeting his maker with this on his conscience.

Perhaps he needs money.....and attention.

It’s difficult to believe he would have wanted to ‘wakefield’ himself for no purpose.

Yet Wakefield and Hooker continue to discredit everything they say and do. Hard to believe, isn't it?

The only question is, how many of his OTHER papers are suspect now

Please feel free to refute the plethora of studies out there showing that vaccines have nothing to do with autism.

Was there an understanding that such things were tolerated or even expected?

Yes, disagreements over how to interpret data is so unscientific. I'm sure it only occurs when something nefarious is afoot.

This same sort of ‘coming out’ has happened many times in the climate science industry as well.

Right, because the incredible number of lives saved by vaccines over the past century, and the massive drop in reported diseases that used to kill and maim millions, especially among children under the age of five, is just like the fraud perpetrated by the AGW crowd. Do you even read your absolute nonsense before posting?

Corrupt science eventually falls apart.

The only thing corrupt here is Thompson and your interpretation of what he wrote. The anti-vaccine crowd is no different than the AGW folks. You will believe anything.

[editor-surveyor]

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CDC speaks many lies of convenience!

The MMR vaccine has shown in this recent outbreak that it produces no evident immunity.

The vast majority of the current cases were vaccinated, most of them fairly recently.

Time for reality, not political correctness.

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[azkathy]

Did you ever wonder why the Mainstream media refuses to report on the CDC corruption? Could it be that the Obama administration pressures them to ignore it? According to this interview with Kathleen Sebelius and Readers Digest they have “reached out” perhaps also known as shut up or else.

RD:What can be done about public mistrust of vaccines?

KS:There are groups out there that insist that vaccines are responsible for a variety of problems despite all scientific evidence to the contrary. We have reached out to media outlets to try to get them to not give the views of these people equal weight in their reporting to what science has shown and continues to show about the safety of vaccines.

Read more: http://www.rd.com/health/wellness/h1n1-the-report-card/#ixzz3QirVlhu3

[RinaseaofDs]

“The MMR vaccine has shown in this recent outbreak that it produces no evident immunity.”

How can you make a statement like that? We just let a ton of unscreened illegal aliens across the border, and then shipped them all over the country, and we didn’t tell anybody about it.

Add to that the large number of people who are barely scraping by that haven’t had a well-child check in over a decade?

Also, vaccines occasionally need boosters. Pathogens mutate.

‘No evident immunity’ I’m construing here to be ‘no evident immunity for anybody’. Can you support that with evidence?

[editor-surveyor]

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The current outbreak is solid evidence; that’s the reason for all the finger pointing at inocent people.

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[RinaseaofDs]

Millions haven’t been infected here. Hundreds have. What evidence do you have that the MMR vaccine is COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE with this strain of measles, if indeed it is different than the strain of measles we have all been vaccinated against?

[kara37]

KS:There are groups out there that insist that vaccines are responsible for a variety of problems despite all scientific evidence to the contrary. We have reached out to media outlets to try to get them to not give the views of these people equal weight in their reporting to what science has shown and continues to show about the safety of vaccines
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There is also a lot of scientific evidence that confirms what these groups insist are real health concerns with vaccines.

They infected as many as 30 million Americans with a cancer causing virus, and then they wonder why we don’t trust them.

http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/New-documents-show-the-monkey-virus-is-present-in-2897194.php

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

WE DON'T NEED ANY VACCINATIONS!

[goodnesswins]

I have NEVER said we didn’t need...THOSE LOOK LIKE my sister in 1958...GTH

[Plummz]

So if they’ve just picked up active Hepatitis in the birth canal, the best thing for them is to inject with a bunch of the same, albeit deactivated, virus?

[Plummz]

When is your MSNBC show on?

[Mamzelle]

In the old days, children who contracted measles ended up with damaged neurological systems. In the old days, they would end up in institutions. I doubt you are old enough to know anything about the old days.

[Mamzelle]

Vaccine production has been composed in the US by lousy, greedy lawyers and their Erin Brickibich paid informants. We run out vaccines as a regular basis and they are not made on shore much if the time. So I blame lawyers for the irrational hysteria that is exposing so many to disease -- lawyers are protecting illegals from the local health authorities, too, lest they be exposed to deportation.

Rational arguments against some vaccines should be welcome, but all vaccination is becoming conflated in the same "autism" lawyer's racket. Yes, years ago epidemics of measles caused many deaths and lifelong disabilities. Our culture is hysterical on the subject if infectious disease--lawyers and democrats live this.

[Mamzelle]

Hate typing on phone—”compromised”

[Mamzelle]

Thank you. This is reality.

[bert]

Those that don’t volunteer must be ostracized. They can have their freedom from vaccination, but in doing so must not be permitted to exist to roam at will in the society. No school privileges, no military or other public service, no drivers license etc

By not being vaccinated, the free spirits become a burden, nay a danger to society.

[Black Agnes]

Explain what you mean by ‘lawyers racket’.

Vaccines are totally and completely indemnified. No one involved with them can be sued.

They are all made in China or from ingredients made there.

The manufacturers are indemnified.

You have no idea if the ingredients in the vaccines in the local peds fridge have any resemblance on the ingredients in the vaccines in that fridge 20 years ago. Or the ingredients in the vaccines used in any ‘safety studies’.

I find it suspicious that anyone asking questions about that is shown pictures of children with smallpox. Smallpox hasn’t been in the wild in 30+ years. Civilians in this country has not vaccinated for it in over 40 years. Perhaps you’re taking the side of unscrupulous overseas manufacturers?

Are you suggesting we have a problem with smallpox and need to vaccinate for that?

And that neonatal HepB is exactly the same thing? I had child services threatened on me for suggesting my neonate didn’t need that HepB vaccine at birth. I was negative for it and they knew that. I found out LATER however, that the neonatal department got a bonus for 100% uptake of that particular vaccine among patients. Clearly they were thinking of what was best for my child /s.

That HepB neonatal series? Over $1B a year cost for that one. And they discover now that it’s actually gone by the time the kids actually GET old enough to be having sex. But you fall and break your hip at 65 years and 1 day? There won’t be enough money for that dearie, take the comfort pills and expire quietly please.

[Enlightened1]

Amen....

By the way for all those extremely gullible and highly ignorant people that are getting all worked up over the measles.

Guess how many Americans have died from the measles over the last 10 years???

Answer: 0

So you have to ask yourself why is the media and the feds pushing for this medical tyranny?

This Obama-care that lied to us about keeping our doctors, no death panels and that your premium rates would go down.

But still so many people are believing these on the record certified liars that want to blame non-vaccine takers for the measles outbreak when everyone knows it came from the open borders just like Ebola. OH BUT THE MEDIA DOES NOT TALK ABOUT THAT PART. So if they are dishonest about that do you REALLY THINK then are being honest about the Measels that have killed 0 Americans over the last 10 years. More people die from Honey Bee stings every year and there is no mention of that. Think McFlys THINK!

Again measles have killed 0 Americans over the last 10 years. Moreover, make no mention of the open borders and the flood of illegal immigrants? Think about it and don’t be so gullible to believe certified on the record liars.

Perhaps is because they want to force more Medical tyranny down your throat in the future? And other types of Tyranny.

Finally, the pharmaceuticals that everyone seems to be orgasmic about kills over 100,000 people every year, but no we are going to worry about the measles that have killed 0 people over the last 10 years.

[csivils]

Rand Paul and the other freedom republicans need to change their wording to Vaccines need to STAY voluntary. This flips the optics to make it look like the other side is making another power grab to expand the granny-state.

Not every disease is deadly, and different people will prioritize differently. For example, after I had shingles, I decided to go get the shot so I’d never do that again! I still don’t want the state to mandate which shots we must have, that is a door that once it is open can lead to all kinds of bad places. There ARE people talking about this topic and using the famous phrase “there ought to be a law”. Even in this thread there are some posters who sound like they are in favor.

Open that door, and what medical decisions are not valid for the govt to decide for us?

[Boogieman]

Yes, it very well may be the best thing:

“If a person who has been exposed to Hepatitis B virus gets the Hepatitis B vaccine and/or a shot called “HBIG” (Hepatitis B immune globulin) within 24 hours, Hepatitis B infection may be prevented.”

http://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/B/bFAQ.htm#transmission