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Paying the Price for Defending Your Troops
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Posted on 01/31/2015 1:47:32 PM PST by xzins

Imagine this: You take command of an Army platoon stationed near a "Taliban-influenced" village in Kandahar Province, Afghanistan. The area has been described as a "hotbed of enemy activity," and unfortunately, your platoon has lost 10 percent of its men (including the former platoon leader) within the last couple months to insurgent attacks. You are familiar with intelligence that suggests motorcycles--specifically red motorcycles-- have been used in the area as enemy getaway vehicles, as well as being a vehicle of choice to implant IEDs. They are also used by suicide bombers who choose to ram themselves into groups of innocent civilians or military patrols and detonate explosives. The first day you take your platoon out for a patrol, you come under enemy fire, but manage to escape unscathed. The second day, while patrolling a road that is known to be frequented by the enemy, you encounter three men on a red motorcycle speeding towards your patrol. You have a split-second decision to make: Do you stand down and pray they don't detonate an IED causing more casualties to your platoon? Or, knowing everything you know about motorcycles and the dangers of the area you are patrolling, do you order your men to engage?

What choice would you make?

Army 1st. Lieutenant Clint Lorance, 29, found himself in this very situation and apparently, made the wrong call when he gave permission for his men to fire at the motorcycle, killing two of the three men. Now, Lorance is serving a 20-year sentence at Fort Leavenworth prison for violating President Obama's rules of engagement.

In 2009, the Obama Administration implemented the COIN (counter insurgent) strategy and new rules of engagement, which among other things, forces troops to stand down until there is evidence of "hostile action or "hostile intent". Unfortunately, these rules have deadly consequences for our heroes who are forced to choose between "winning the hearts and minds" of the Afghan people and keeping their troops safe. Consider this startling statistic from Col. Allen West's website: "In the first seven-plus years of war in Afghanistan (October 2001 – December 2008) we lost 630 U.S. soldiers. In early 2009, the Obama administration authorized the implementation of the COIN (Counter-Insurgent) strategy...and over the next five years, the U.S. death toll nearly tripled. Seventy-three percent of all U.S. deaths in Afghanistan have taken place since 2009."

If you aren't familiar with the story of Lt. Lorance, it's likely through no fault of your own. Last summer, as the media salivated over the courts martial of the "disgruntled worker", Maj. Nidal Hasan, and Wikileaks groupie, Miss Chelsea Manning (formerly known as Pfc. Bradley Manning), there was barely a whisper about Lt. Lorance's case. What the Lieutenant's trial lacked in main stream media sensationalism, it more than made up for in exposing the true colors of President Obama's Rules of Engagement.

EXCLUSIVE: Details from Lt. Lorance's Trial

Are Motorcycles a Threat?

A significant portion of the trial was spent examining the dangers posed to U.S. troops by motorcycles in Afghanistan and testimony varied as to the threatening nature of the vehicles. Some witnesses claimed the mere presence of motorcycles posed no threat to their safety, saying villagers and farmers also used them as a means of transportation. However, others acknowledged the dangers the vehicles present. One Lieutenant who testified said, "Typically in our AO (area of operations) red motorcycles specifically would be used in our area by IED emplacers. They would drive the motorcycle up to a certain location, drop in an IED or activate an IED that was already in place, and then hop back on the motorcycle and drive away."

For years Taliban or enemy combatants have used motorcycles as a means of attack. For instance, in 2009, NATO reported that a motorcycle IED killed at least 6 Afghans. In 2012, a suicide bomber drove his motorcycle into an Afghan and NATO patrol killing 14 service members. In 2013, a motorbike packed with explosives targeted a military convoy killing two U.S. troops. A more extensive list of motorcycle attacks can be viewed here.

Womack believes that those who testified motorcycles were a non-threat, "felt that their role was to help the government to imply that these motorcycles were everywhere and that they were all just alike and they saw nothing dangerous about the motorcycle."

A Desire to Serve

The son of a welder and a stay at home mother, Lorance was born in Oklahoma and raised in Texas and Oklahoma. An aspiring police officer from the time he was young, he had a change of heart after the terror attacks on September 11th, 2001. Realizing there was a greater purpose to fulfill, Lorance joined the Army on his 18th birthday in December of 2002.

RELATED: Army Documents Paint a Glowing Portrait of Lorance

According to his cousin, Jamie Garza, Lorance always "went by the books," even when he decided to join the military saying, "Before he signed up for the Army, he got packets of information, made flashcards and studied everything about the Army before he even signed the paperwork. Before he jumps into something he always analyzes and evaluates his scenarios." Garzas opinion of her cousin seems to fall in line with court testimony from one of Lorance's ROTC subordinates who said, "he would quote Army manuals to you about your uniform, the way you’re marching, which was great because if you’re going to go lead a platoon or you’re going to go out and be an officer you need to know how to do it right. And he always knew how to do it right."

While he is meticulous and serious by nature, Garza says Lorance also has a strong moral compass and a dedication to family. Ever since he joined the Army, the Lieutenant would make a direct deposit of $200 into his grandmother's account every month because she was on a fixed income. Knowing that she would never accept his money, Garza says, "Clint had to tell our grandmother that the money came from an Army program to help senior citizens. He did that up until the day he went to jail." Garza also recalls a story where Lorance gave his jacket and the shoes off his feet to a homeless man outside of a local Walmart.

Will Political Correctness Stand in the Way of Clemency?

Currently, Lt. Lorance and his attorney are reviewing the Record of Trial which was released late February. Their next step is to seek clemency from the commanding general at Fort Bragg who could choose to set aside the conviction or provide sentencing relief. Should the conviction not be set aside, the appeals process will begin.

According to the Record of Trial, Lt. Lorance's actions while leading the platoon were far from perfect. He was--after all-- convicted of making threatening remarks to Afghan civilians as well as obstruction of justice for omitting several details about the incident to his superiors. Even taking this information into consideration, the punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime.

Lorance has been called a "scapegoat" for the U.S. government; with his harsh sentencing an indicator to Afghan officials that America is more committed to winning the hearts and minds of the Afghan people than to winning the War on Terror (or as we now call it, "Overseas Contingency Operations"). Rather than defend our men, American officials prefer to send our troops to hostile and dangerous countries without the proper resources or rules of engagement needed to succeed, and then throw them under the bus the moment something contrary to their "politically correct" war agenda occurs. Mind you, all of this done in an effort to appease a country that will endlessly despise the United States of America.

On July 2, 2012, Lorance had a split-second, life-or-death, decision to make. It is comparable to the decision that Navy SEAL and author of Lone Survivor, Marcus Luttrell was forced to make in 2007: While on a covert mission to capture an extremist leader, he and team came across two unarmed goat herders and rather than kill them, the men let them go and had to hope they would not run back to the village and expose the SEAL's location to the Taliban. Within an hour, dozens of enemy forces ambushed the men and ultimately killed 19 Americans. What would have happened had Lorance not ordered his men to shoot the motorcycle riders? What if they were enemy scouts, tracking the location of the patrol, readying their men to strike and cause the platoon to lose even more men?

Again this author asks, what choice would you make?

Last month, defying the feeble demands from the U.S., Afghan authorities released 65 prisoners linked to attacks that killed or wounded 32 American and coalition service members. According to a Pentagon document, "25 of the Afghan prisoners were linked to the production or placement of IEDs, 33 tested positive for explosives residue when they were captured, and 26 were associated with attacks that killed or wounded 57 Afghan citizens and Afghan National Security Forces."

These killers are now free to roam the streets able to strike again, while 1st. Lt. Clint Lorance potentially has more than 19 years to serve in prison.

**For more information on Lt. Lorance, you can visit his website or follow his story on Facebook.

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To: Future Snake Eater

Sounds to me like a new platoon leader comes in and is a bad ass with his own troops and the locals at the outset based on the idea of come on strong and then back off. Apparently, he was very new, and his predecessor had his face blown up by the local terrorists.

So, he’s going to be Patton and whip everybody into shape. Didn’t work. Bad stuff happened before he also got to show his endearing side.

You are correct that JAG doesn’t prosecute anything unless they’re sure they have a conviction. That’s either a plus or a minus depending on how you look at it.

However, just assuming that he DID know via 6th sense that these were bad guys and his call was right, how does that change the trial if that info about those actually being terrorists gets shown in court? That the Lieutenant did not make a bad call, just a call not according to Hoyle?


41 posted on 01/31/2015 5:13:36 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

I’m just remembering all 3 of my son’s deployments to Iraq and vicinity.

Each time I repeated the words an old Korea War vet told me: “Don’t Trust any of them. They are all your enemy. Do NOT trust ANY of them.”

And Sgt Howard Brandt came alive out of Korea even after being overrun by a combined Chinese Korean Hoard. He was the ranking NCO left and the platoon worked its way back to its own lines.

Howard Rule #2: Do not ever be in a crowd.

Howard Rule #3: Never be without your weapon and loaded.

And my son did not forget.


42 posted on 01/31/2015 5:25:18 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: onyx; xzins
Signed the petition and sent links out on my Twitter feed.

Thanks for posting it.

43 posted on 01/31/2015 5:46:09 PM PST by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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To: TigersEye; xzins

Thank you so much.
God bless and keep you.


44 posted on 01/31/2015 5:47:40 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: xzins

Sometimes you don’t have a choice about rule #2. Sadr City got pretty crowded at times.


45 posted on 01/31/2015 5:49:51 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: jazusamo; xzins
RE: "All...Lt Lorance deserves support as did the Haditha
Marines, please take the time to read xzins posted article."

I shall do that as well as signing the petition. Take care.

46 posted on 01/31/2015 5:50:30 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......but alas! Honor must be earned...)
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To: onyx
I like these three congresscritters, especially Zinke. He's a former member of Seal Team 6 (pre- Osama bin Laden raid, IIRC).


47 posted on 01/31/2015 5:53:17 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Future Snake Eater
A corollary of rule #2 would probably be: (I'll ask Howard who is still with us. :>)

When in a crowd take action immediately to put distance between you and it.

48 posted on 01/31/2015 5:54:03 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

This has made me more upset than just about anything this ass of a president has done.

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49 posted on 01/31/2015 5:55:25 PM PST by Mears (there wasn't much conversation about it.)
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To: smoothsailing
WOW! He's a hottie, too!

During a campaign stop Zinke said the United States should focus on the "real enemy," referring to Hillary Clinton as the "Antichrist."[11]

He later said his comment was "perhaps a little harsh," but "I had two friends in Benghazi and the truth does matter."[12]

50 posted on 01/31/2015 5:59:02 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Thanks, my FRiend and it’s good to see you. Regards.


51 posted on 01/31/2015 6:03:01 PM PST by jazusamo (0bama to go 'full-Mussolini' after elections: Mark Levin)
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To: jazusamo

I have been a bit dull of lately Jaz. Best regards to you as well. Stay healthy.


52 posted on 01/31/2015 6:06:18 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......but alas! Honor must be earned...)
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To: xzins

Here are the articles Allan West has posted about this incident.
http://allenbwest.com/?s=lorance

Cruel and unusual: Are Clint Lorance calls to his lawyer being tapped and censored?
http://allenbwest.com/2015/01/cruel-unusual-clint-lorance-calls-lawyer-tapped-censored/

This must disgust you: Clint Lorance denied clemency while disgraced sexual deviant general cuts plea deal
http://allenbwest.com/2015/01/must-disgust-clint-lorance-denied-clemency-disgraced-sexual-deviant-general-cuts-plea-deal/

EXCLUSIVE: Mother of Clint Lorance: If he and his men had been killed, he’d be a hero! KIA!
http://allenbwest.com/2014/08/exclusive-mother-clint-lorance-men-killed-hed-hero-kia/

Obama’s military contempt: The outrageous treatment of Clint Lorance
http://allenbwest.com/2013/10/obamas-military-contempt-outrageous-treatment-clint-lorance/

Bombshell: Army withheld evidence that could free Clint Lorance
http://allenbwest.com/2014/12/bombshell-army-withheld-evidence-free-clint-lorance/


53 posted on 01/31/2015 6:10:56 PM PST by FR_addict (Boehner needs to go!)
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To: onyx; jazusamo
WOW! He's a hottie, too!

Hey, Jaz, we've been jilted, Onyx has a new boyfriend! :-(

54 posted on 01/31/2015 6:19:07 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; onyx
Hey, Jaz, we've been jilted, Onyx has a new boyfriend! :-(

LOL! This is heartbreaking, that has to be girl talk for "not guilty." ;-)

55 posted on 01/31/2015 6:56:17 PM PST by jazusamo (0bama to go 'full-Mussolini' after elections: Mark Levin)
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To: jazusamo; smoothsailing

ROTFLOL..
He has a wife!
Her name is..... (drum roll) Lolita!!!
Oooh-la-la.


56 posted on 01/31/2015 7:17:10 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: xzins

Better to be judged by twelve, than carried out by six. He made the right call. We MUST defend him.


57 posted on 01/31/2015 7:21:12 PM PST by Jemian (War Eagle!)
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To: onyx

He is a hottie, but he is no TODD PALIN!!!

THUDD!

Iron Dog Race starts on the 21st.


58 posted on 01/31/2015 7:57:22 PM PST by Jemian (War Eagle!)
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To: onyx

Buuump!


59 posted on 01/31/2015 9:35:17 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: onyx

Signed - gave Obama something ales to chuckle about...


60 posted on 02/01/2015 3:34:51 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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