Posted on 01/25/2015 4:07:24 PM PST by SoConPubbie
While Scott Walker wants to move on, Ted Cruz plans to fight.
In a nutshell, those are the battle lines being drawn over gay marriage among the 2016 GOP presidential aspirants.
[READ: Supreme Court Greenlights Gay Marriage]
After the Supreme Court punted on state rulings, how to define legal matrimony again veered into sharp focus, with two polar opposite approaches being outlined by the Wisconsin governor from a blue state and a Texas senator from a deep red one.
“For us, it’s over in Wisconsin,” Walker acknowledged, citing the high court move that means a lower court decision to accept gay marriage in his state is the final word on the subject.
And Walker, who faces re-election in four weeks, seems content with the finality on the topic.
“I’d rather be talking in the future now more about our jobs plan and our plan for the future of the state. I think that’s what matters to the kids. It’s not this issue,” he says.
If Walker finds himself reprising that answer on a Republican presidential primary debate stage sometime next year, expect a thunderous response from Cruz, who in two short years in the U.S. Senate has already made himself a favorite of social conservatives.
Cruz blasted the Supreme Court’s decision not to weigh in on the issue as “astonishing” and “indefensible,” and has previously introduced legislation to protect the authority of state legislatures to define marriage. He also plans to introduce a constitutional amendment to prevent Congress or the court from striking down bans on same-sex marriage imposed by states.
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I do not disagree with you with respect to the damage caused by the destruction of the family.....but that is well underway long before gay marriage.
As one poster has said, the toothpaste has left the tube and you are not going to put it back.
Heterosexual deviancy is rampant. Ashley Madison is a prime example. The explosion of swingers clubs for couples. Resorts, like Sandal's Hedonism, are popping up everywhere. There are cruises where the entire ship is sold out to couples that wish to orgy at sea for a week.
You wish to stand on gay marriage as some linchpin, which is noble. But you lost this battle.
I am not sure we can fall back and regroup sufficiently to win the war.
In the meantime, we need a proven leader, not a big-mouth senator from a safe state.
I strongly support Cruz.
But I also do fear that as a practical matter, gay marriage is here.
It is in Oklahoma, and hardly anything has been done to roll it back.
I think the reality is that it is with us for the foreseeable future...
But I think we have to say, well, just because we lost on that issue, does that mean we have to lose on every issue?
I hope not. And yes, that is pragmatic, I suppose...but the whole country has gone very gay friendly. I see us now as being stuck trying to figure out how to save some shred of civilization in spite of that fact.
Perhaps I’m wrong though.....
“But I also do fear that as a practical matter, gay marriage is here.”
One of the main reasons that homosexual marriage is here is that too many feared “that as a practical matter” we shouldn’t protest the legality of homosexuality after Lawrence v. Texas. When we quit playing offense our defense stayed on the field too long. Accepting homosexual marriage without a whimper will lead to even more degeneracy, and those who do not fight on the current battlefield will be complicit in all that is yet to come.
Did Cruz ever say anything about enriching his “corporate silicon buddies?” You’re accusing him of being dishonest in the absense of evidence.
Reality doesn’t work like that. It’s not a some sort of seed in your imagination sewn by your whimsical comments and then spread externally into the ether.
If something’s not true, you can’t make it true by lying about it.
Maybe Cruz wants to do God’s will.
There is no doubt.
But degeneracy surrounds us, and knowing where and how to push back is not easy. The last 3 years have seen extraordinary strides for the normalization of homosexuality.
And in a few months, the Supreme Court is going to make “gay marriage” the “supreme law of the land”.
The point being, in this context, it is extremely difficult to know how to fight the degeneracy of homosexuality.
Especially while we have to simultaneously fight the degeneracy of socialism.
And open borders.
And so on.
In that context, I’m not sure it is helpful to say that someone like Walker is in the wrong, if he chooses to focus on issues other than “gay marriage.”
But if Cruz can somehow re-start that fight...then I’m all for it.
“The last 3 years have seen extraordinary strides for the normalization of homosexuality.”
Believe it or not, I really don’t intend to sound rude or snarky, but your post exemplifies part of the problem. There really hasn’t been that much unexpected happen with regard to homosexuality in the last three years. It was in the decade prior to that when the war was fought and lost. Most “conservatives” either didn’t know that there was a war going on, or were conscientious objectors, or were not really opposed. The last three years were just mopping up.
Well, yes, the last 3 years is consolidation of the subtle gains in the decade before. But without question, the legal strides of the last 3 years have been monumental (and would not have happened without the cultural rot that preceded it). But just as with abortion, the legal gains create a feedback loop, which circles back to the culture, and soon enough, we will have a happily married gay couple in every movie, etc. And so on.
Observing that simple reality doesn’t contribute at all to the problem. It is merely pointing out the obvious.
Your response of, “we should have fought harder all along” is no doubt true. But here we are. I personally expended more energy than most people in this regard. And in my neck of the woods, we did ok. But the rest of the world is closing in on us.
Your additional response of “we should continue the fight” is also fine. But I don’t see anyone with a clear plan of what that fight will consist of. Obviously it has to consist of something other than, or more than, the twenty years that preceded.
My only point is that while I support Cruz far, far, far more than Walker...what he did with the public unions was amazing. And had he not chosen that fight, and ignored others, he would not have won that fight. And it’s extremely important that he won that. It might even be a victory that can be expanded upon.
But in the fight against homosexuality, I don’t really see any victories over the last 25 years to be built upon. I really see only losses that the other side can build upon.
OK, SCP, lay out your 2015-16 election plan to undo SSM. I’m waiting and American conservatives are waiting, too!
Think of the consulting gig’s you could have.
Yes, it’s misleading and a half truth is a lie. Or aren’t you familiar with the media?
Undoing homosexual marriage is not the only goal that we might accrue in opposing it. Opposing it (and the legality of homosexuality itself) might stem the tide so that increasing fines and penalties are not imposed in the future on those who, in good conscience, simply affirm that homosexuality is wrong. People have already for several years been increasingly fined, fired, kept from graduating from college, and jailed for simply stating that homosexuality is wrong. By not vigorously opposing homosexual marriage and the legality of homosexuality we encourage the forces of evil to take greater and greater steps to limit our freedoms—and in this case that word freedom is to be taken literally.
Standing against evil, whether successful on a legal frontier or not, lets our children and our friends know that this is wrong and not to be engaged in or encouraged. It also strengthens and encourages the resolve of those who oppose evil. Silence on the issue speaks otherwise. The silence of the many has been one of the main reasons why the homosexual agenda has flourished and will continue to flourish unless we push back.
Scott Walker believes as you do. That’s my personal experience with him.
Nailed it.
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