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Walker vs. Cruz on Gay Marriage - [Oct - 2014]
US News and World Report ^ | Oct. 7, 2014 | David Catanese

Posted on 01/25/2015 4:07:24 PM PST by SoConPubbie

While Scott Walker wants to move on, Ted Cruz plans to fight.

In a nutshell, those are the battle lines being drawn over gay marriage among the 2016 GOP presidential aspirants.

[READ: Supreme Court Greenlights Gay Marriage]

After the Supreme Court punted on state rulings, how to define legal matrimony again veered into sharp focus, with two polar opposite approaches being outlined by the Wisconsin governor from a blue state and a Texas senator from a deep red one.

“For us, it’s over in Wisconsin,” Walker acknowledged, citing the high court move that means a lower court decision to accept gay marriage in his state is the final word on the subject.

And Walker, who faces re-election in four weeks, seems content with the finality on the topic.

“I’d rather be talking in the future now more about our jobs plan and our plan for the future of the state. I think that’s what matters to the kids. It’s not this issue,” he says.

If Walker finds himself reprising that answer on a Republican presidential primary debate stage sometime next year, expect a thunderous response from Cruz, who in two short years in the U.S. Senate has already made himself a favorite of social conservatives.

Cruz blasted the Supreme Court’s decision not to weigh in on the issue as “astonishing” and “indefensible,” and has previously introduced legislation to protect the authority of state legislatures to define marriage. He also plans to introduce a constitutional amendment to prevent Congress or the court from striking down bans on same-sex marriage imposed by states.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cruz; scottwalker; tedcruz; walker
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To: SoConPubbie
“I’d rather be talking in the future now more about our jobs plan and our plan for the future of the state. I think that’s what matters to the kids. It’s not this issue,” he says.

He just got re-elected. You really think it's smart politics to push right-to-work asap, and have leftists descend upon and trash Madison again?

Like that poster said. Being a Governor and a Senator are two different things. Your buddy Cruz can afford to vote and flap his gums, without doing any actual governing.

41 posted on 01/25/2015 5:04:33 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: garjog
Walker has a proven record as a fighter.

Yes he does—and as President, he no longer needs to support homosexual marriage.

42 posted on 01/25/2015 5:04:58 PM PST by Does so (SCOTUS Newbies Imperil USA...)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; Amendment10
SCOTUS will rule and uphold state constitutional amendments upholding traditional marriage.

That's not the issue.

The issue is, does Scott Walker want to LEAD on ALL important conservative issues, or is he going to run and hide if his political calculus, his pragmatism, tells him that doing so is dangerous to him or his administration in some way.
43 posted on 01/25/2015 5:05:20 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
He just got re-elected. You really think it's smart politics to push right-to-work asap, and have leftists descend upon and trash Madison again?

I'm not interested in "Smart Politics"

Are you a conservative, a tea-party member, or are you GOP-E, because frankly, you're beginning to sound like GOP-E!
44 posted on 01/25/2015 5:06:37 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: tanknetter

I am supporting the most consistently conservative candidate and so far that is Cruz. Walker isn’t even close. He and Christie and other GOP-e types are all the same. And don’t forget that Priebus used to run the Wisconsin state GOP. He is a RINO as well. He spent a lot of time fighting the TEA party in the state during 2010.


45 posted on 01/25/2015 5:12:08 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: SoConPubbie
it's just that Ted Cruz is much more of a full-spectrum conservative than Walker.

Walker was elected County Executive twice in leftist Milwaukee County, and has won 3 elections in the last four years.

Meanwhile, Cruz was just elected to the Senate a mere 2 years ago and already he's being treated as the 2nd coming of Christ.

Walker is Napoleon, Cruz is Custer.

46 posted on 01/25/2015 5:12:45 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SoConPubbie
That's not the issue.

I don't agree with any of these GOP Governors/AGs on refusing to uphold their constitutional amendments. Me, I would have told these federal judges to pound sand.

Again, the distinction is between the role of a Senator and a Governor. Weeks before a critical election, what was Walker going to do? Sometimes you have to live to fight another day. At that point and time, that wasn't a hill to die on, also knowing that the issue is and will take care of itself.

47 posted on 01/25/2015 5:19:33 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SoConPubbie

Ok....sure. Of course make the rules to your liking. Results are not some imaginary thing. It is tangible. Sorry but Scott Walker 2016 if we really want change in this country.


48 posted on 01/25/2015 5:20:42 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: SoConPubbie

To be concise, this is why Cruz is in my top tier (along with Pence, Palin, Santorum, and Jindal) and Walker is not.


49 posted on 01/25/2015 5:25:45 PM PST by Engraved-on-His-hands (Conservative 2016!! The Dole, H.W. Bush, McCain, Romney experiment has failed.)
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To: TADSLOS
Perry should run for president of Mexico, the same people would support him if he did.


50 posted on 01/25/2015 5:36:18 PM PST by South40 (Hillary Clinton was a "great secretary of state". - Texas Governor Rick Perry)
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To: TADSLOS

Wrong thread. Perry sucks, though. And Cruz is the only Texan who deserves the conservative vote.


51 posted on 01/25/2015 5:37:54 PM PST by South40 (Hillary Clinton was a "great secretary of state". - Texas Governor Rick Perry)
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To: SoConPubbie

It is you who don’t understand what both Cruz and Walker do.


52 posted on 01/25/2015 5:39:58 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (The Gruber Revelations are proof that God is still smiling on America.)
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To: SoConPubbie

There is no fight re gay marriage. It’s toothpaste that has left the tube.

Do we want cruz or walker? We’d best focus on informing america what they have a right to. Drop the gay marriage issue and focus on the constitution.


53 posted on 01/25/2015 5:43:39 PM PST by Yaelle (No Cruz? Then "I'm Ready for Hillary; What Difference Does It Make?")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
And back the establishment on a "pathway to citizenship."

Cruz doesn't support a pathway to citizenship.

I covered this several days ago with you.

54 posted on 01/25/2015 6:49:29 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: SMCC1

Last time we had a former Governor from a blue state and a Congressman from a blue state and that did turn out too well.

I’d say go Red State Red State for both spots on the ticket this time.


55 posted on 01/25/2015 6:58:57 PM PST by Qwackertoo (Worst 8 years ever, First Affirmative Action President, I hope those who did this to us SUFFER MOST!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Together, the issues of homo-marriage and amnesty comprise about 90% of the factors that will determine who I will vote for (and whether I’ll even bother voting). And Walker has been unimpressive, if not downright wimpish, on both. His feisty battling with the unions means nothing to me, if he’s going to surrender on homo-marriage and amnesty. He won’t get my vote.


56 posted on 01/25/2015 7:18:02 PM PST by greene66
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To: napscoordinator

“Cruz has it so easy. Being in a very red state and has very little responsibility or accountability. I will wait to see how he does with NASA to see what kind of results he has accomplished. So far if you compare the accomplishments of Scott Walker and Ted Cruz, Scott Walker would win in a landslide.”

Has it easy? You are in LaLa land if you thing Ted going up time after time against the GOPe including filibustering, in-your-face demands is anything but easy.

He stands for something and we here in Texas appreciate that.

Just because one lives in a Rockefeller Republican state makes no diff, as one does not compromise principles.

I believe your comment really says that the next leader we can trust in this country must come from a solid red state, not another Midwesterner(Read Dole, Romney) that is doomed to defeat.


57 posted on 01/25/2015 7:31:24 PM PST by bestintxas (Every time a RINO is defeated a founding father gets his wings.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

No-—the number one issue is homosexual marriage. Nothing else matters. You destroy the concept of the Natural Family (Marxism) and you collapse civil society and Christian morality-——you reduce the children to mindsets of pagans, or Afghani tribesmen, and Satanists who believe any irrational vice is “Good”. It normalizes degrading, vile, warped behavior which is learned by child abuse. All behaviors and desires are learned.

The culture becomes toxic by having a legal system promoting Vice and degrading human behavior which is irrational and evil—and promoting the Vice of Sodomy is promoting unjust law (Rule of Law (Higher Law) becomes Rule of Man which is unconstitutional). Montesquieu stated correctly, that only Virtue is to be promoted in any “justice system”.To promost vice destroys morality in the children and that will collapse civil society.

Without Virtue, there is no possibility of Freedom (Socrates/Founders).

There is no “Freedom” in a Vice system-—and any laws that promotes sodomy, a behavior so vile and dehumanizing, as “Good”-—is erasing ALL Christian Ethics which created Individualism and dignity for all human beings—the only ideology suitable for US Constitution.

Christian ethics created the US Constitution and “Justice” (virtue) System and replacing it with the pagan, Satanic cults, where pederasty has to be the training ground for sodomy; abuse in childhood causes a warped evil sexist, unnatural worldview of hate/anger/sexism.

Sodomy promotion removes all logic and reason in children—all understanding of Natural Law Theory (basis of our Constitution). It removes all sexual morality, and therefore, all virtue—and that will collapse civil society. It makes children into commodities to be bought and sold-—total dehumanization and removal of biological parents (Natural Rights of children) and destroys the Legal System which is REQUIRED to promote Natural Duty of parents to raise their own biological offspring.

We will raise children with the minds of Afghani harem boys-—and that is what the Marxists want——to emasculate the males and create tribal mindsets to destroy the possibility of a Washington, Jefferson or a Lincoln. Mature masculine men love women (true diversity) and protect their children and families. Fixated (abused boys) are immature, narcissists, hate diversity and idolize themselves-—and can end up brutalizing women and children.


58 posted on 01/25/2015 8:19:56 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Yaelle
Do we want cruz or walker? We’d best focus on informing america what they have a right to. Drop the gay marriage issue and focus on the constitution.

Can't do that, I'm a Christian. I'm pretty sure that is one of the reasons Ted Cruz won't either, oh, and that other thing, the constitutional basis for marriage being decided at the State level. Ted won't let it go because of that either. One of many reasons why I like this guy!
59 posted on 01/25/2015 10:32:09 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

“I want someone who fearlessly defends conservatism, like Ted Cruz and shown the world for the last 3 years, not someone who is going to run his support for each conservative issue through a filter of political pragmatism, which Scott Walker seems to be doing as of late. “

You stated exactly what has been bothering me about Walker lately. He doesn’t want to talk about social issues. It’s clear that he wants to run for POTUS and focus entirely on fiscal issues. He is not going to be able to side-step the issues as he has been if he wants to be prez. Immigration, gay marriage, Obamacare are huge issues in 2016 and he is going to have to clearly state his policies. Illegal immigration is certainly a fiscal issue.

Perhaps he is waiting until he actually throws his hat in the ring before he does this but I have a collection of videos of him talking about these issues and he is all over the map. It’s hard for me to tell what he truly believes. With Cruz, it’s right out there and you know his positions.


60 posted on 01/25/2015 10:49:50 PM PST by conservativegranny
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