Walker vs. Cruz on Gay Marriage - [Oct - 2014]

US News and World Report ^ | Oct. 7, 2014 | David Catanese

[SoConPubbie]

While Scott Walker wants to move on, Ted Cruz plans to fight.

In a nutshell, those are the battle lines being drawn over gay marriage among the 2016 GOP presidential aspirants.

[READ: Supreme Court Greenlights Gay Marriage]

After the Supreme Court punted on state rulings, how to define legal matrimony again veered into sharp focus, with two polar opposite approaches being outlined by the Wisconsin governor from a blue state and a Texas senator from a deep red one.

“For us, it’s over in Wisconsin,” Walker acknowledged, citing the high court move that means a lower court decision to accept gay marriage in his state is the final word on the subject.

And Walker, who faces re-election in four weeks, seems content with the finality on the topic.

“I’d rather be talking in the future now more about our jobs plan and our plan for the future of the state. I think that’s what matters to the kids. It’s not this issue,” he says.

If Walker finds himself reprising that answer on a Republican presidential primary debate stage sometime next year, expect a thunderous response from Cruz, who in two short years in the U.S. Senate has already made himself a favorite of social conservatives.

Cruz blasted the Supreme Court’s decision not to weigh in on the issue as “astonishing” and “indefensible,” and has previously introduced legislation to protect the authority of state legislatures to define marriage. He also plans to introduce a constitutional amendment to prevent Congress or the court from striking down bans on same-sex marriage imposed by states.

[SoConPubbie]

Taking the news article at face value, Cruz essentially accepted and endorsed Walkers position that ‘it was over’ in the article.

“Cruz blasted the Supreme Court’s decision not to weigh in on the issue as “astonishing” and “indefensible,” and has previously introduced legislation to protect the authority of state legislatures to define marriage. He also plans to introduce a constitutional amendment to prevent Congress or the court from striking down bans on same-sex marriage imposed by states.”

Do you even read what you are about to post BEFORE you post it?

From the article:

And Walker, who faces re-election in four weeks, seems content with the finality on the topic.

“I’d rather be talking in the future now more about our jobs plan and our plan for the future of the state. I think that’s what matters to the kids. It’s not this issue,” he says.

So Scott Walker has surrendered on the issue, and Ted Cruz is still fighting for what is right.

DO you not see that difference?

[napscoordinator]

What a comparison. Scott Walker was running for Governor in a state that tried to get rid of him twice and it is a blue state. Cruz was not running for anything. I am very confident that Scott Walker is against gay marriage but he was up for reelection in less than a month. Very unfair comparison.

[SoConPubbie]

This is so true. I wouldn’t right him off just because he isn’t trying to fight a losing battle in his state.

This isn't about his state, he wants to be POTUS, and he has made it clear that he does not intend to fight for this issue in the future.

He has surrendered and walked away from another conservative fight.

[napscoordinator]

Jim!

It was less than a month before the election in a blue state. Trust me he is not only against gay marriage but also pro-life.

Bob

[rabidralph]

Well said. Some people don’t understand that a person’s character permeates every issue they’re faced with and whether they’re willing to fight for what’s right, regardless of the politics. Like other RINOs and closeted RINOs, Gov. Walker still comes up short.

[SoConPubbie]

What a comparison. Scott Walker was running for Governor in a state that tried to get rid of him twice and it is a blue state. Cruz was not running for anything. I am very confident that Scott Walker is against gay marriage but he was up for reelection in less than a month. Very unfair comparison.

Nothing unfair about it at all. Read the whole article.

Walker surrendered on the issue now, and for the future:

“For us, it’s over in Wisconsin,” Walker acknowledged, citing the high court move that means a lower court decision to accept gay marriage in his state is the final word on the subject.

And Walker, who faces re-election in four weeks, seems content with the finality on the topic.

“I’d rather be talking in the future now more about our jobs plan and our plan for the future of the state. I think that’s what matters to the kids. It’s not this issue,” he says.

[garjog]

“surrendered and walked away from another conservative fight.”

OK, but what about how he stood up against the unions and won. That is impressive.

[SoConPubbie]

OK, but what about how he stood up against the unions and won. That is impressive.

Yes it was and is, and it shows that Scott Walker is not afraid of a fight.

If he had not walked away from the Right-to-Work and Gay Marriage fights; if he had not taken the side of the GOP-E during the primaries against the Tea-Party, if he wasn't so Open-Borders, we would not be having this conversation. Instead, he'd be running away with the nomination.

He has had an awesome record before he got serious about running for POTUS. I think he is getting some horrible advice from his advisors about moderating his stances and about being "Pragmatic".

[napscoordinator]

Cruz has it so easy. Being in a very red state and has very little responsibility or accountability. I will wait to see how he does with NASA to see what kind of results he has accomplished. So far if you compare the accomplishments of Scott Walker and Ted Cruz, Scott Walker would win in a landslide.

[TADSLOS]

Bingo.

[Erik Latranyi]

What is Ted Cruz going to do?

He will introduce a bill that will go nowhere.

But, he paid his lip service and did nothing.

Walker fought in the courts and lost. Walker knows the right priorities this nation has currently....gay marriage is not one of them.

If we run a candidate who wants to end gay marriage as one of their top proposals, we lose and it is GAME OVER USA.

A President Walker can stack the courts with conservatives.

A Senator Cruz, who loses, can do nothing.

We have far larger issues than gay marriage to deal with first.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

A governor has a much different job than a senator. A GOP Senator from a red state can afford to take on any and all issues and talk, talk, talk without political consequences. A GOP governor in a blue state has to pick battles in order to govern effectively.

Nail. Hammer. Head.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

If he had not walked away from the Right-to-Work

When did he "walk away?"

He simply said it wasn't a pertinent issue right now. That doesn't mean he opposes it.

Sheesh, you and your Cruz butt-smooching.

[John Leland 1789]

“I’d rather be talking in the future now more about our jobs plan and our plan for the future of the state. I think that’s what matters to the kids. It’s not this issue,” he says.

"What matters to the kids." It would matter to my kids that the sodomites want to imitate being married. They seek to destroy marriage. They want to adopt other people's children. They want to use the Foster Parent programs to acquire other people's children for adoption.

My kids have kids, and many things could happen these days that would allow the government, rightly or wrongly, to remove children from people's homes, temporarily or permanently. I loathe to think of some strange scenario in which my grandchildren were taken and placed in the home to "married" sodomites.

[SoConPubbie]

Cruz has it so easy. Being in a very red state and has very little responsibility or accountability. I will wait to see how he does with NASA to see what kind of results he has accomplished. So far if you compare the accomplishments of Scott Walker and Ted Cruz, Scott Walker would win in a landslide.

That's an excuse, essentially the same excuse used to excuse the bad behavior of Mitt Romney while he was Governor of Massachusetts.

And no, a comparison of Scott Walker's accomplishments does not show him winning in a landslide unless you are artificially limiting the definition of accomplishments to exclude standing up in the face of opposition from his party and the DNC for every single Conservative issue as Ted Cruz has done. Furthermore, you are purposefully excluding from the definition all the bills that Senator Cruz has started dealing with conservative issues, righteous issues.

Those are the necessary things, the concrete things that Senators can and should do. So, if you are going to make a comparison on this matter, judge righteously, objectively. Judge taking in consideration the position each man holds and what can be accomplished, in each position. If you do that, Ted Cruz has accomplished much, much more in terms of leadership, and in terms of actual accomplishments.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

What is Ted Cruz going to do?

Support unlimited H1-B visas to foreigners to enrich his corporate silicon buddies.

And back the establishment on a "pathway to citizenship."

[tanknetter]

Well said. Some people don’t understand that a person’s character permeates every issue they’re faced with and whether they’re willing to fight for what’s right, regardless of the politics. Like other RINOs and closeted RINOs, Gov. Walker still comes up short.

So, lets see if I get this right. On one hand Walker supports (or, at least, doesn't oppose) gay marriage.

On the other hand, Cruz supports at least one type of mass immigration (increasing H1Bs by 500%). See thread from the past few days here.

The way I see it is that there's not going to be a candidate that's acceptable to all Conservatives on every single issue that matters to Conservatives. They're all going to have some fatal flaw that allows some Conservatives to call them RINOs/GOPe/Liberals, etc.

The net result is that Conservatives are going to tear ourselves apart, yet again, and hand the nomination to a Bush or Romney.

[SoConPubbie]

When did he "walk away?"

And Walker, who faces re-election in four weeks, seems content with the finality on the topic.

“I’d rather be talking in the future now more about our jobs plan and our plan for the future of the state. I think that’s what matters to the kids. It’s not this issue,” he says.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

If Walker is clueless about 10th Amendment-protected state powers

SCOTUS will rule and uphold state constitutional amendments upholding traditional marriage.

Even Ginsburg realized that Roe vs Wade went too far, and has reservations about the same thing happening to homo marriage.

[SoConPubbie]

And back the establishment on a "pathway to citizenship."

Scott Walker wants the pathway to citizenship AND an Open Border.

Furthermore, Cruz is now on record opposing that, you will only find one statement where he stated that. And, he is completely Anti-Illegal Immigration on other issues.

Scott Walker, not so much.