Posted on 01/17/2015 10:00:14 PM PST by Olog-hai
As a consequence of the Eurozone crisis, racism is on the rise, in the same way that the 1929 crisis inspired anti-Semitism. But this time the scapegoats are Muslims, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu told a Brussels audience on Thursday (15 January). […]
One important message was that the EU, and the West in general, had missed the opportunity provided by the Arab revolutions. The West didn’t mobilize, as it did for Eastern Europe, after the end of the Cold War, Davutoğlu argued.
More concretely, he blamed the West for not having supported the “moderate young generation” in Syria, the result being that terrorists filled the vacuum.
He also criticized EU ministers’ handling of the situation in Egypt and the Middle East. …
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Turkey is only a part of NATO because of pure geography. If their country was located anywhere else on Earth besides that particular crossroads, we wouldn’t have any interest in them at all.
“Right wing”? Aside from the details (I’m presuming the military coup is meant), Nixon certainly was not on the “right wing” side of things, so blame the liberals for Makarios’ ouster, i.e. if he really wasn’t pro-communist like is widely reported.
The only thing keeping any of those Islamofascist jack-holes alive is that, whatever comes after will be worse, and not just a little worse.
So the Jews tried to conquer Europe like the Ottomans ? And I suppose the Jews also conquered Constantinople after numerous failed attempts. You turkish history is one of conflict with Europe.
No, I am talking about Nixon and that devil Kissinger encouraging the Turkish attack on and occupation of Cyprus. Aside from killing thousands of Orthodox Christians, they looted our churches and turned them into animal barns and public urinals. But hey, the American right wing, so well represented here on FR, don’t believe that we Orthodox are really Christians (our archbishops like Makarios are communists, right?)anyway so it was all just great, right?.
Neither of those two are “right wing”, like I said.
What’s with presuming what US conservatives think about the affair, besides?
And what does it ultimately have to do with the attitude of Erdogan and Davotoglu towards the European Union?
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“What’s with presuming what US conservatives think about the affair, besides?”
I’m not presuming, I know! I’ve been dealing with “US conservatives” in Washington at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue about this since 1974 and the present crop in Congress is the most pro-Turk, anti-Orthodox Christian I have ever seen, very much a reflection of many here on FR!
And what it has to do with Erdogan and Davotoglu is that they both believe they have the support of the American congressional right wing, especially in their latest depredation, the invasion of Cyprus’ economic zone in the Med which is backed by American oil and gas interests.
Well, how come the two you named (Nixon and Kissinger) are liberals?
You seem paranoid about anti-Orthodox feeling on FR. I get no such sense of it, not even in the religion forum.
And when it comes to Cyprus right now, the big two dangers are Turkey and the European Union, the latter of whom cares only about Cyprus’ strategic value. Pax Americana has been undermined by the liberals, some of which (it seems to me) you are trying to call “conservative” or “right wing” mistakenly. (Please don’t call the GOP establishment “right wing”.)
BTW, “American oil and gas interests”? That’s lib-speak. The main players there are the EU and Russia, frankly.
“BTW, “American oil and gas interests”? That’s lib-speak. The main players there are the EU and Russia, frankly.”
No, it’s a description of the paymasters of oh, say, Ted Cruz, one of the first to look the other way when it comes to Turkey. As for the main players, well Russia doesn’t want any gas developed in the Cypriot economic zone. The EU, of which Cyprus is a member, and Israel, a loyal partner and supporter of Cyprus, want Cyprus... not Turkey in conjunction with American gas and oil interests, to develop its off shore resources. Turkey has simply stated that it will drill wherever it wants off Cyprus...and the American right wing supports this.
You really ought to dig into these matters before you descend into sloganeering. You look like you’re being used and it hurts your credibility.
“You seem paranoid about anti-Orthodox feeling on FR. I get no such sense of it, not even in the religion forum”
How often do you see ANY Orthodox participation on the religion board anymore? You don’t. The sede vacantists, the bring your own snake crowd and those whose politics define their faith took care of that.
“Well, how come the two you named (Nixon and Kissinger) are liberals?”
Would you rather I tell you about the actions of Reagan regarding the Turkish dogs in Cyprus? That’s a real happy story!
I hope you get better.
Why do I doubt you will?
I remember the “good old days” when American conservatives loved Turkey and considered Greeks and Armenians to be Commies (you know, like how they supported the Arabs against Israel).
You have to excuse Kolokotronis. He is one of the most extreme sufferers of redneckophobia on this board (though I never thought to see him rank them with the so-much-more "respectable" sedevacantists).
Kolo is a supporter, not only of leftists like Makarios, but also of secular-humanist-posing-as-chrstian Martin Luther King Jr. You know, because those awful rednecks (from reading the book of Genesis somehow) think that Blacks have "skin like snakes." D@mn rednecks--everything in the world is their fault![/sarc]
Kolo enjoys alienating American conservatives, whether Catholic or Protestant, and reminding everyone that the original and true chrstianity is so utterly alien to conservative, Biblicist modes of thought as to have not the slightest connection (after which he demands that Catholics and Protestants support the positions which he has just finished telling us are totally alien to them). He's a bit notorious for his attacking conservative Catholic prelates who don't put correct ecclesiastical politics ahead of morality.
He also seems to think that "the devil"'s number one invention is the EEEEEEE--VIL doctrine of creationism, which contradicts the evolutionary truth taught by the church fathers for two thousand solid, interrupted years and is directly responsible for white racism. 'Cause, you know . . . Genesis says Blacks have skin like snakes. Probably Greeks too. So his reference to "bring your own snake" is in fact a super-intellectual, irrefutable "zinging" of evil people named Joe-Bob who own Blacks slaves (again the fault of Genesis).[/sarc]
In other words . . . he ain't a-gonna get over it.
Did I miss it? Did the West mobilize for the end of the cold war? I must have blinked and missed it. Did the West fail to mix it up in Libya and Syria? We’ll have to ask the next dead ambassador, when the mob gets done with him.
As usual, the Big Lie. Plus the usual self deception: Everything we did to yourself is your fault. You either didn’t mobilize, or intervened. Take your pick. Damned if you did or damned if you didn’t. STFU.
Turkey. GTF out of NATO. You are not and never have helped.
Actually, thousands of Turks fought in the Korean War. (I agree with your first sentence, though).
Bump!
A case of the pot calling the kettle black.
The situation in Syria is NOT a case of the “west” “not helping” the so called “rebels” enough, but the opposite; that the west (primarily the U.S.) entrusted the workings of a regime change agenda against Assad to the Islamist Erdogan and the Islamist Saudis and the friends in the Gulf States, and they all jointly destabilized Syria and looked the other way as their own radicals too the reins on behalf of their anti-Assad crusade. It didn’t work. Assad did not just lie down and let himself be thrown out by the Turks and the Saudis, and turn his country over to the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood centered in the city of Homs.
As far as acting imperial goes, it is Turkey that appears to be attempting to resurrect something of the Ottoman days, acting not as a trusted member of NATO but as one rebuilding a position of a regional power of their own, on their own, and expecting the west’s help and support for it.
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