Posted on 01/14/2015 10:56:22 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee
WILL “moderate Muslims” finally “speak up” against their militant coreligionists? People around the world have asked (but, as in the past, have not all seriously examined) this question since last week’s horrific attacks on the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo and on a kosher supermarket in Paris.
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The only source in Islamic law that all Muslims accept indisputably is the Quran. And, conspicuously, the Quran decrees no earthly punishment for blasphemy — or for apostasy (abandonment or renunciation of the faith), a related concept. Nor, for that matter, does the Quran command stoning, female circumcision or a ban on fine arts. All these doctrinal innovations, as it were, were brought into the literature of Islam as medieval scholars interpreted it, according to the norms of their time and milieu. Tellingly, severe punishments for blasphemy and apostasy appeared when increasingly despotic Muslim empires needed to find a religious justification to eliminate political opponents.
One of the earliest “blasphemers” in Islam was the pious scholar Ghaylan al-Dimashqi, who was executed in the 8th century by the Umayyad Empire. His main “heresy” was to insist that rulers did not have the right to regard their power as “a gift of God,” and that they had to be aware of their responsibility to the people. . .
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mohammed was a child rapist.
Bears repeating daily. Otherwise, the First Amendment is in jeopardy.
How is it that Moose Limbs believe it is entirely acceptable to demean, ridicule and murder people of other faiths while at the same time demanding that people of other faiths don’t demean, ridicule and murder them in return? After all, doesn’t Islam demand an “eye for an eye”?
Liberals and Moose Limbs are birds of a feather. Piss on them all. I’ll continue to cling to my Bible and guns and they can all go to Hell.
As usual, the NY Times is wrong. Apparently, they have never read the entire Quran nor the Hadiths.
“As usual, the NY Times is wrong. Apparently, they have never read the entire Quran nor the Hadiths.”
Beat me to the punch.
While I cannot state that the NYT hacks are always wrong, I fully believe the probability of being correct by assuming they are wrong is a number considerably above 50%.
I am not a Islamic scholar, but my understand is all variants of Islam is that the Koran does not stand by itself and you need a Hadith to interrupt the Koran. That aside, Islam is a cult, not a religion. Mohammad stole from Judaism and Christianity to form a political system under the guise of a religion so he could rape little girls and force others to his will.
They certainly haven't read the Hadiths.
This disingenuous author would have you believe the Hadiths are not a major part of Islam.
We might even have a little Taqiyya going on here.
The underlying false message is "You see it isn't the religion that motivates these terrorists , they just have the wrong interpretation". - Tom
Interrupt the Koran....or Interpret the Koran?
Not that it makes a lot of difference, since the whole fraudulent lash-up was concocted to promote an imaginary moon god.
There is one God, and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
darn auto-complete/auto-correct
Here are the last words of Muhammad:
“May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets”
yeah... sounds like a nice guy...
[ Tellingly, severe punishments for blasphemy and apostasy appeared when increasingly despotic Muslim empires needed to find a religious justification to eliminate political opponents. ]
So those that use are Islamic Empires - where the conclusion is that they can be crushed without the label of attacking Islam....
If true, then the Moslem nations need to be eradicated - because they ALL do this and allow such to be done!
Am I wrong? Or is the author of this article a liar and covering up and is no more an apologist for Islamic violence?
I should have stipulated that I was referring to NY Times articles about Islam. Of course they are not usually wrong, but more than not, are biased and PC in their articles about Muslims.
Not a biggie. As the Apostle Paul stated in 1st Corinthians when there was angst over Christians eating meat that had been offered to an idol; “We know that an idol is not anything real, and offering something to an idol in no way actually affects what was offered.” (Paraphrase). I put Allah in the same classification; no more real than Thor, or Appolo or Humpty Dumpty.....which makes the machinations and conniptions of militant mooselims all the more ludicrous, and pathetic. IMHO.
LIVE PRESS CONFERENCE
January 7, 2015 · Washington, D.C.
On Wednesday, January 7, at 9:30 am EST, Representatives Walter B. Jones (NC-3), Stephen Lynch (MA-8), Senator Bob Graham (D-FL), and members of 9/11 Families United for Justice Against Terrorism, held a bipartisan press conference, on H. Res. 14, a resolution calling on President Obama to declassify the 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 2001 that were initially classified by President George W. Bush and have remained classified under President Barack Obama. Senator Graham was the chair of the Select Committee on Intelligence when the Joint Inquiry was written and has repeatedly called for the 28 pages to be declassified. H. Res. 14, introduced in the 113th session as H. Res. 428, states that declassification of the pages is necessary to provide the American public with the full truth surrounding the tragic events of September 11, 2001, particularly relating to the involvement of foreign governments.
Pressure is building in both Houses of Congress. The Obama Administration’s current ‘strategy’ in the Middle East, and the terrorism deployed from that region, has created a global tinderbox, ready to ignite at any moment. First in Libya, then in Syria, Obama’s support for so-called “moderate rebels,” has effectively blown up in the United States’ face. Finally, in the summer of 2014, the terrorizing advance of ISIS across Iraq and parts of Syria made it official: the “War on Terror,” launched in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the U.S., and our foreign policy since, has been a failure.
President Obama in Saudi Arabia 2014.
Meanwhile, as the majority of Congress remains gridlocked in the traps set by the Obama Administration’s intentionally irrelevant agenda, a handful of bi-partisan Representatives are quietly bringing to light a critical piece of 9/11 history, which, if revealed, would fundamentally change our policy in the region, and make public who the leading sponsors of global terrorism were then, and now. The item in questions is what has become known as the “28 Pages,” which refers to a classified 28 page section of an original Congressional joint inquiry report investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks. The pages are said to deal with the foreign, state sponsorship of the attacks and while the documents remain classified, sources familiar with the pages, including former Senator Bob Graham (D-FL) who co-chaired the Joint Inquiry, have hinted that the pages, if released will reveal the damning role Saudi Arabia played in sponsoring the terrorist cells in the two years leading up to the attacks.
“As I read it, we all had our own experience. I had to stop every couple of pages and absorb and try to rearrange my understanding of history for the past 13 years and the years leading up to that. It challenges you to rethink everything.”
Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) on reading the 28 pages.March 11, 2014
Just before Congress left Washington for the midterm elections, on September 9, 2014, Congressmen Walter Jones (R-NC), Stephen Lynch (D-MA) and Thomas Massie (R-KY), held their second press conference on the declassification of the 28 pages, urging their colleagues to co-sponsor their bill, H RES 428, which calls on the President to declassify the redacted section of the Joint Inquiry report. Joined by 9/11 victims’ family members just days before the 13th anniversary of the attacks, the press conference was a devastating rebuke of Obama, who had promised the families that he would personally see that the report be declassified in 2009.
“President Obama, You’re A Liar!”
September 9, 2014 press conference on the 28 pages featuring H RES 428 sponsors and 9/11 victims’ families.
Senator Bob Graham’s Untold Story
An interview conducted by Matthew Ogden with former Senator Bob Graham in Naples, Florida on November 11, 2014. Senator Graham served as co-chair of the Congressional Joint Inquiry into 9/11. The subject of the interview is the urgency of declassifying the redacted 28 pages of the Congressional Joint Inquiry’s report to expose the role of Saudi Arabia in financing not only the Al Qaeda attacks of September 11, 2001, but also continuing to finance ISIS and related terrorist organizations today.
Investigative reporter Dan Christensen of the Broward Bulldog, as well as Miami-based first amendment attorney Tom Julin also participated in the interview. Christensen and Julin have been instrumental in combating persistent stonewalling by the Federal Bureau of Investigations in pursuing crucial leads pertaining to connections between a prominent Saudi family and a cell of 9/11 hijackers in Sarasota, Florida prior to the 9/11 attacks.
“The connection is a direct one. Not only has Saudi Arabia been promoting this extreme form of religion, but it also has been the principal financier, first of Al Qaeda, then of the various Al Qaeda franchises around the world—specifically the ones in Somalia and Yemen— and now the support of ISIS...I believe that had the role of Saudi Arabia in 9/11 been disclosed by the release of the 28 pages, and by the declassification of other information as to the Saudi role and support of the 9/11 hijackers, that it would have made it much more difficult for Saudi Arabia to have continued that pattern of behavior, and I think [we] would have had a good chance of reining in the activity that today Canada, the United States and other countries either are or are considering going to war with.”
Fmr. Senator Bob GrahamOctober 9, 2014 on CBC’s ‘Day 6’
It’s not a secret that the Saudi Royal family is very close to the Bushes. In fact, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, former Saudi Ambassador to the U.S., whose role in 9/11 is highly questionable, is known to many as “Bandar Bush.” Perhaps the Bush Administration blocked the release of the 28 pages to defend the KSA, whom they view as a close family friend, a business partner, and political ally. There may be some truth to that. Why then, has the Obama Administration continued the cover-up? While campaigning for president in 2008, Obama promised 9/11 family members that he would finally declassify the 28 pages that dealt with who sponsored the attacks. Then again, in February 2009, when a delegation of 9/11 families visited the White House, Obama made a promise to Bill Doyle, whose son died in the WTC, that he would personally see that the 28 pages be declassified. However, just three months later, on May 29, 2009, Obama ordered Solicitor General Elena Kagan, later an Obama appointee to the U.S. Supreme Court, to file a brief urging the courts to prevent the 911 families from suing Saudi government officials or members of the Saudi royal family on the grounds that they enjoyed sovereign immunity. To this day, Saudi Arabia, the world’s leading financier of fundamentalist jihadi madrassases, is considered one of the United States’ closest allies.
SEE “9/11 London/Saudis”
On September 11, 2012, when the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was attacked by Islamic militants, the already questionable middle east strategy of arming and financing rebel groups blew up in the U.S.’s face. Four U.S. servicemen had just been killed in a country we had just helped to “liberate” months earlier. A sophisticated campaign of smoke and mirrors was moved into high gear by the Obama Administration in an attempt to bury an already growing chorus of questions about exactly who and what the United States, and those we consider our “allies,” are supporting in the Middle East.
On December 2, 2013, Representatives Walter Jones (R-NC) and Stephen Lynch (D-MA), after having read the 28 pages, introduced H.RES. 428 (H. Res. 14 in the 114th Congress), a resolution calling on President Obama to declassify the 28 pages, both for justice for the families of the victims of 9/11 and to force a reexamination of the now dubious “War on Terror”, and overall current U.S. foreign policy. Then, on March 12, 2014, Jones, Lynch and fellow co-sponsor Representative Thomas Massie (R-KY) held a press conference on Capitol Hill featuring members of the 9/11 families and an introduction from Senator Bob Graham.
March 11, 2014 Press Conference, Washington, D.C.
The first Capitol Hill Press Conference calling for the declassification of the 28 pages, March 11, 2014.
‘28 PAGES’ IN THE PRESS
Major media outlets follow Examiner scoop on 9/11 secret.
January 11, 2015 A review by Examiner.com of the major news coverage of the 28 pages Capitol Hill press conference from January 7th. Includes coverage from Newsweek, Fox News, the New York Times, New York Post, CBS News, (UK) Daily Mail, ABC News, U.S. News & World Report and WBGH (Boston Public Radio).
“Good idea to declassify censored portions of 9/11 report?”
January 5, 2015, Fox News “National Security vs. public’s right to know.”
“Lawmakers seek Saudi 9/11 smoking gun”
January 4, 2015, New York Post updates their ongoing profile on the fight to declassify the 28 pages.
“9/11: The 28 Missing Pages”
January 3, 2015 CNN’s the Michael Smerconish Show interviewed Former Sen. Bob Graham and Terry Strada, wife of a 9/11 victim, and their push for the release of 28 pages of still classified material regarding 9/11 financing.”
“Politicians push to declassify censored 9/11 reports”
January 3, 2014, Examiner, Kenric Ward advertises the January 7, 2015 Capitol Hill press conference and Rep. Grayson’s denial by the House Intelligence Committee’s to read the 28 pages.
“Florida congressman barred from seeing classified sections of 9/11 inquiry”
December 30, 2014, RT picks up on Dan Christensen’s story from the Broward Bulldog of Representative Alan Grayson being denied, by the House Intelligence Committee, to read the 28 pages pertaining to the foreign sponsorship of the 9/11 attacks.
Islamic State: “US failure to look into 9/11 has helped ISIS”
September 14, 2014, A timely interview in the London Independent with former Senator Bob Graham, co-chair of one of the first joint inquiries into the September 11th attacks.
‘Classified Pages of a 9/11 report may implicate key ally’
September 11, 2014, PBS NewsHour: “Thirteen years since September 11, 2001, some revelations of a joint congressional inquiry into the 9/11 attacks remain classified. But some lawmakers argue the secret pages reveal little about national security and a great deal about Saudi Arabia’s role in the attacks. Lawrence Wright, whose article “The Twenty-Eight Pages” appears in The New Yorker, talks to Jeffrey Brown.”
“The Twenty-Eight Pages”
September 9, 2014, New Yorker magazine: Lawrence Wright, author of “The Looming Tower” about al-Qaeda and 9/11, along with quotes Congressmen Jones and Lynch, includes quotes from 9/11 Commission staff director Philip Zelikow, the mole for the Bush/Cheney White House who sabotaged the Saudi investigation.
CNN’s “The 28 Page Report on 9/11 You Can’t See”
September 8, 2014 “28 pages from the 9/11 report focusing on the role of foreign governments remain classified. CNN’s Jake Tapper reports.”
Campaign Mounts to Declassify 9/11 Report’s References to Alleged Saudi Involvement
August 7, 2014, VICE News: “Nearly 13 years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the extent of Saudi involvement in the deaths of almost 3,000 people remains unclear — but according to members of Congress and the families of victims, information about this has been suppressed ever since the publication of a 2002 congressional investigation into the plot.”
“Moose Limbs” has me in stitches. Thanks for making me laugh so hard.
A lot of wishful thinking is going on here. Islam is not going to change its stripes or vary from the course it has been on since the 7th Century when it began the process of proselytizing through violence and territorial expansion. The idea of an Islamic reformation has been bandied about since 911, but it is based on the false premise that Islam is capable of having a Christian type reformation. Islam is undergoing a reformation now, and it is towards establishing the fundamentalism of Sharia law.
The West should stop deluding itself with multiculturalism, and the ill conceived notion that Islam can be made compatible with Western civilization. It can’t. Islam is doing to Western civilization what it has done to the rest of the world, throughout its existence. Any experimental attempts to Westernize, liberalize and modernize Islam should be done on Islamic territory, not in the civilized world.
HEY!! Thor’s real!
Just ask Stan Lee.
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