Posted on 01/05/2015 4:35:45 PM PST by workerbee
What do you expect me to do? Post his name, treatments, hospital, families information, diagnosis, prognosis, day to day routine, mental health facility, etc. etc.? Hell, I know what happened. I spent almost every Friday night for two years with him and his wife. If that’s not good enough for you then I’m sorry.
As far as your statement “The hospital should get a waiver if she refuses treatment. As far as the state is concerned, they should make the parents understand that they will be prosecuted for neglect if their daughter dies.”
I’m surely in agreement. As long as the Hospital will be prosecuted if she is forced to be treated and dies.
Fair enough?
It's an anecdote, spun on the Internet. Worth as much as any other tale told, unsourced, unchecked, and anonymously second hand.
It isn't evidence in any way that backs up the previous posters' wild and outlandish claims about the entire field of oncology and the chemo.
I’m surely in agreement. As long as the Hospital will be prosecuted if she is forced to be treated and dies.
Fair enough?
They're already liable if they treat her.
You must be part of the trial lawyer lobby; you all seem to share their mistrust and hatred of modern medicine.
Well, my dad’s a Doctor, so no, I don’t automatically have a distrust of medicine. Not a witch doctor, voodoo doc or medicine man. A real live M.D.
My point, and many others, is that Cancer treatment is a very personal decision. And I don’t want the Government getting involved in my health decisions. Too late, I know...But I wouldn’t be so..so...strident? presumptuous? to think I would know better than the folks actually involved in that decision.
Regardless, there are terrible side effects for most, if not all aggressive treatments for cancer. They can be worse than the cancer. And that’s a fact
In no way was I arguing that it was anything but.
Of course it's a personal decision, but that doesn't mean that any Freeper can make up phony statistics and try to pass them off as fact, as free_life did by saying that "chemo has a 2.3% survival rate" and "is a death sentence", and that "75% of US Oncologists surveyed say they would not use chemo drugs", and not be called out for it. These are obviously made up statistics that weren't sourced, and are likely to hurt people if anyone looking for answers were to take them seriously.
I'm saying that you don't take people seriously who spout things without evidence and try to claim them as fact.
....to think I would know better than the folks actually involved in that decision.
I do know better than the folks involved in the actual decision, the mother at least, because I know that chemotherapy does not "kill everything in your body", as the mother in the case is on record saying.
If the family and the 17 year old have come to the conclusion that the side effects outweigh the potential gain of treatment, that would be one thing. But the mother is on record talking about toxins (an altie catch phrase), and the girl's fertility, which is amazing since I would think that being dead is the ultimate guarantor of not being able to have children. The mother is a fruitcake.
But the doctors in this case seem to think that treatment is critical enough to have in order to save the girl's life. The mother's comments and use of altie buzz words give away where she's getting her information from, but long story short, I want the girl to live. And doctors think it's critical enough that she get the treatment or she will die.
I don't like bureaucrats stepping in either, but I also don't want children to die because their parents are idiots.
Let's say your Dad was trying to deliver life saving medicine to a child with a deadly illness. The mother of the child refused the treatment, and told the kid not to trust the doctor because the medicine was full of evil spirits.
Would you still not want someone to step in and save the kid?
In that case Dad would raise hell and if that didn’t work then call the authorities. He’s not very patient with idiots. Let’s just say this is a very difficult decision for everyone involved...
A guy I worked with was a Jehovah’s Witness. He got leukemia. About 55 y.o or so. Son is my stepson’s age. Apparently Jehovah’s Witness don’t believe in taking blood. And apparently blood transfusions of some sort are a treatment for leukemia? Anyway, he refused the treatments and died.
Idiot? To me yea. But it wasn’t up to me. Gotta admire his faith anyway....I guess.
I'm aware of the slippery slope, but your Dad would be right and your former co-worker should be in prison.
Naw...My former co-worker died. Not his son.
And I don’t want to argue. We’re actually pretty close in our beliefs. But. A lot of folks don’t believe that religion is a silly superstition.
Evidence?! Maybe you should get off your high horse Mr. Chemo and do some searching, it is not hidden data or a secret. Chemo is a death sentence. You don’t heal your body by poisoning it and chemo drugs are poison. Wake up fella and smell the dead people!
Hey asshat.... I didn’t make up any phony statistics and try to pass them off as fact. I don’t have to prove anything to you ... your not the judge of what’s true and untrue in this forum ....your selling chemo which tells me all I need to know about how educated you are on the subject.
A kinda cool story about this. My former co-workers son(steve), is black. He worked at Wal-mart with my step-son(Jarrod). Supervisor was racist, real bastard. N...er, this, black sob, sorry black M.F and worse. Steve took it for a good long while and finally told the SOB off. So they fired him.
Steve sued and asked Jarrod to tell what he had seen and heard. Took depositions. Ended up firing the Manager and paying out, I don’t know how much.
About a year later, Jarrod had pretty much forgotten about it, the kid shows up at my front door with his mother. Give’s Jarrod $5,000. We visited awhile. His mother was very appreciative. Said no other co-workers would testify. She didn’t even know I used to work with her, now dead, husband. I was proud of him for doing the right thing. Sometimes doing the right thing does pay!
Amen, OlLine Rebel.
Although the government shouldn't be forcing anyone to have medical treatment, someone has to have a serious talk with this 17yo girl.
No one wants to have to take any kind of strong medicine. But sometimes it's necessary in order to survive.
A lot of folks don’t believe that religion is a silly superstition.
I would call religion that contradicts well-established facts, such as blood transfusions being immoral, or the Earth being 6,000 year old, silly superstition. I didn't say all religion.
I think it's harmless unless someone else's life in danger. And I think that might be the case here with the mother, who is probably some kind of altie or new ager (just a guess based on the statements she's made). If she's telling her daughter that all chemo is poison and it will kill her, it is wrong. The reason it's so controversial is that the young lady is very close to being a legal adult.
Anyone who has taken an eighth grade science class knows that toxicity is not in the substance, but the dosage. There are no such things as "toxins" in the way that alties use the term.
All the best,
That is a good story.
Where was the Wal-Mart?
However, I did find the source of your 2.3% claim, which is from an Australian study in 2004, which measured the contribution of chemotherapy to survival in adult malignancies reporting a 5 year survival.
In other words, out of all 154,971 patients whose files they included in the study, 3306 of those had a 5-year survival could be attributed solely to chemotherapy.
That actually helps the case for chemotherapy, but it's no surprise that it was picked up by the altie cult and misrepresented by nutcases like you.
The contribution of cytotoxic chemotherapy to 5-year survival in adult malignancies.
So thank you. Next time an altie tries to push new age snake oil by citing 2.3%, I'll know exactly where he got it from.
Wal-Mart is in Central Alabama not far from B’ham.
All the best to you and yours!
>>“Approximately 90% to 95% of children with Hodgkin lymphoma can be cured”:<<
Same for most variants of leukemia (ALL) for children. Age is a factor as well and when treatments begin.
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