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California schools step up efforts to help 'long-term English learners'
Los Angeles Times ^ | December 17, 2014 | TERESA WATANABE

Posted on 12/23/2014 9:42:38 AM PST by reaganaut1

After more than 11 years in Los Angeles public schools, Dasha Cifuentes still isn't speaking or writing English at grade level. The U.S. native, whose parents are Mexican immigrants, was raised in a Spanish-speaking household and she acknowledges that the two languages get confused in her mind.

"I should be more confident in English because I was born here, but I'm embarrassed that I haven't improved myself," said Dasha, a junior at Fairfax High.

Now, however, she and other students like her are receiving more attention under a new state law and initiatives by L.A. Unified and other school districts. The law requires the state to define and identify a "long-term English learner," the first effort in the nation to do so.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
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Children with IQs in the 80s and 90s will learn English but not at the level you would expect of a high school graduate. Since you can't fix low IQ, you should discourage rather than encourage low-IQ immigration.
1 posted on 12/23/2014 9:42:38 AM PST by reaganaut1
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how about English immersion, teach them quickly


2 posted on 12/23/2014 9:45:13 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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I think many of the English language learners are in classes taught in English. As I said, the problem is not that they don’t know any English but that their higher-order skills are weak.


3 posted on 12/23/2014 9:49:02 AM PST by reaganaut1
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After more than 11 years in Los Angeles public schools, Dasha Cifuentes still isn’t speaking or writing English at grade level. The U.S. native, whose parents are Mexican immigrants, was raised in a Spanish-speaking household and she acknowledges that the two languages get confused in her mind.

Anchor baby.


4 posted on 12/23/2014 9:49:25 AM PST by sheana
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Why should teachers focus on regular white kids then they can focus on foreigners who will soon overwhelm Republican voters?


5 posted on 12/23/2014 9:50:04 AM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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No intiende o save...


6 posted on 12/23/2014 9:54:41 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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Wait.

This kid isn’t competent or confident in english?

She’s in the 10 grade?

So, repeat and rinse...


7 posted on 12/23/2014 9:56:12 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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We need to pass a law to make all Americans speak Spanish.

It is unfair to these illegal aliens that they have to come here and deal with English speakers. Where is our compassion? How can they do the work Americans won’t do if they can’t take instructions in their native tongue?

Any American who won’t speak Spanish is a racist.


8 posted on 12/23/2014 10:02:09 AM PST by oldbill
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We need to pass a law to make all Americans speak SpanishSwedish.

In addition to that, all citizens will be required to change their underwear every half-hour. Underwear will be worn on the outside so we can check.

Furthermore, all children under 16 years old are now... 16 years old!

9 posted on 12/23/2014 10:03:43 AM PST by dfwgator
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I hate to brag but, I left high skrewel in the first semester of 10th grade.

Ain’t hurt me ....yet.

Well, actually I tested out and was in college during what would have been my 10th grade.

To top it off, my Mom left me all by my lonseome to feed myself, pay rent and continue college and the family moved to Oklahoma.

I was 15 and a year later I became an emancipated minor, due a loving father, who believed in me and my ability to function.

I had great parents who ensured that no questions I asked went without an answer or really, long hours in our home library of various encyclopedias, various research books and National Geographic.

In fact, I was reading and writing, cursive, at age 4.

A parent must be involved in a child’s education and preparing them for a life of independence and self determination.

Her failure is the responsibility of her parents.


10 posted on 12/23/2014 10:05:51 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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Dasha is embarrassed.

Think how legal residents feeel.


11 posted on 12/23/2014 10:10:09 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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I teach in the South, and we had our older male auto shop teacher publicly rip our ESL teacher a new one for dropping off a new student that could not speak one word of English at his door.


12 posted on 12/23/2014 10:14:49 AM PST by struggle
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There is no need to speak English in Los Angeles. Everywhere you go in Los Angeles there is a at least one person there who speaks Spanish. Some of the Korean immigrants are bypassing English and learning Spanish instead because Spanish is easier than English.


13 posted on 12/23/2014 10:15:50 AM PST by forgotten man
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No entiende o sabe.

Also, Spanish was my first language. Thanks to a nice ESL teacher, no one knows this until I tell them. (It came with a free Southern drawl! Now I sound like a well-spoken plantation owner. ;-))

14 posted on 12/23/2014 10:33:40 AM PST by __rvx86 (This Tagline is gluten-free.)
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Does this include Al Sharpton?


15 posted on 12/23/2014 10:37:30 AM PST by DPMD
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Well, with the right drawl and english you can play a fairly good game of pool.


16 posted on 12/23/2014 10:55:43 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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Wouldn't step down be more accurate?
17 posted on 12/23/2014 10:56:59 AM PST by skeeter
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Other than for inspiring and sharing an excited joy for learning, the mediocre, collect-a-paycheck and Marxist-adhering "teachers" at many educational institutions can and will do little to help the type of unique difficulties this young girl and those like her face.

From what I can tell, she comes from a multilingual learning environment that would display a relaxed mishmash of "ingrain the use whatever language works for you, word-by-word". Part of more advanced language learning (i.e., beyond middle school or thereabouts), will be more effective when purity of thought is able to be employed, unblemished by momentarily "giving up" to revert to a different language for something that's supposedly easier or closer at hand (and tongue). That embodies the opposite of a challenge. It coddles weakness.

English is not my native language. In the household where I grew up, my parents rarely spoke English. We legally immigrated to the US when I was two. Only after the four of five children had left the house for college did they speak predominantly English, so my youngest brother's friends coming over to the house wouldn't feel he was someone too weird to want to have as a friend.

I believe I was able to develop adequate English language skills by reading authors that were presenting relatively detailed-yet-concise narratives.

Although it needn't be everyone's cup of tea coming from my type of situation, for me, I determined to read several of George Will's books. He went to a school building I saw regularly where I went to college, so I felt we were at least partly, similarly grounded.

HF

18 posted on 12/23/2014 11:12:27 AM PST by holden
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“There is no need to speak English in Los Angeles”
Actually that applies to all of Texas and many many other parts of what used to be our country.

The lie put forth by leftist that second generation illegals “assimilate” should be exposed.


19 posted on 12/23/2014 11:18:25 AM PST by RWGinger
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Perhaps the child's parents should have followed the example set by Goro Sakagawa a fictional character in James A Michener’s novel “Hawaii”.
20 posted on 12/23/2014 11:21:29 AM PST by quadrant (1o)
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