Posted on 12/17/2014 11:57:19 PM PST by Olog-hai
Just days before he shot to death a 17-year-old German exchange student, Markus Kaarma told hair stylists he had been waiting up to shoot some kids who were burglarizing homes.
He told them they would see it on the news.
Kaarma hoped to bait an intruder by leaving his garage door partially open and placing a purse inside, prosecutors said. And when he did, a motion detector alerted him early April 27. Kaarma took a shotgun outside and almost immediately fired four blasts into the garage. Diren Dede, unarmed, was hit twice. He died after the final shot hit him in the head.
For those reasons, Kaarma’s “castle doctrine” defense, which allows people to use deadly force to protect their home and family, failed him Wednesday. A Missoula jury convicted him of deliberate homicide. …
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Enough people have said that this should never have gone to trial, much less incurred murder charges. I’d never think of going into the garage of a stranger no matter what, even when I was a kid or teenager; even if there was no alleged “bait” there, the owner has a right to defend the space whether any contents are present or not.
setting it up might be what did him in... because he set the trap, i am not that torn over this one...
Sorry, this was an obvious trap and the killing was murder. Would you support Police that setup this kind of trap?
Home protection is sacred but setting bait is trap fishing.
Exactly. I don’t teach the children to steal anything. They know what stealing is.
You might get in trouble and you might get shot.
I teach them to make hay while the grass is green. It is yours.
Whether you like it or not it is long established legal principal that you cannot do something like this. Otherwise people would be setting all sorts of traps for people they don’t like so they can shoot them. If your intention to kill is before the fact then it is murder.
Are you saying this is a set-up by the police?
There is no “trap” for anyone innocent. Humans are thinking beings, not animals, so whomever reached for the alleged “bait” had criminal intent.
Enough jailhouse lawyers have frustrated the police with that “entrapment” nonsense.
Abortion is also a “long-established legal principle”. But it’s utterly evil.
I won’t get “murdered” because I don’t steal.
If somebody is in my garage I will see just how many .40 they can handle before hitting my truck.
The police had nothing to do with this! I’m saying that anyone who did this and that includes the police would be and should be prosecuted! Actually, the courts have ruled such in many minor cases (against the police) that involve baiting the victim.
It is illegal, stupid, and immoral!
Funny - yeah hilarious - seems like the court agrees with some of us!
How did he “set the trap”?
Warfare is all about setting traps for the enemy. This kind of thinking really illustrates why the USA has never won a war since 1945.
And all courts are just, right?
How is it immoral? You are really trying to say that innocent people would fall for such “traps”?
Grasping at strawmen?
Stealing someones property is Illegal.
What is your point again?
I think you might be, yes.
Crime is out of control because _____________?
Well, I guess that the Police should be free to set baits for all kind of activity - right? Only the criminals will respond. Maybe you should read some court cases that say the opposite.
Why don’t you hang some 100 dollar bills outside of your garage, you will catch some crooks for sure!
How about trying to stick to the actual discussion..okay?
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