Posted on 12/07/2014 7:25:21 AM PST by gorush
...And it was a headlock, not a chokehold. To be a chokehold, there must be constant pressure on the person’s neck, compressing his windpipe or cutting off the flow of blood to the carotid artery, rendering him unconscious.
Watch the video: It’s obvious that the arresting officer put his arm around Garner’s neck to bring him to the ground — but once Garner was on the ground, he was still conscious and able to say he couldn’t breathe.
That’s when the officers called for medical back-up. Tragically, the EMS personnel failed to administer oxygen or to ascertain that Garner was asthmatic and use an inhaler to assist with his breathing.
A top medical examiner (who can’t publicly fault the city ME) tells me it was very irresponsible for the Medical Examiner’s Office to issue the press release stating that Garner’s death was caused by a chokehold (with asthma, heart disease and obesity as contributing factors) and ruling his death a homicide.
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
True, indeed.
What did the Black Police Sergeant in command have to say? Hmmmm?
Someone in a chokehold cannot say anything. His airway is blocked. From the article:
Also note that the man credited with recording the Garner video was himself later arrested for gun possession, and had 26 priors.That's the kind of law enforcement NYC got before Giuliani came along, and murder rates were 5x their present level.This doesn’t discredit the video, but it does tell us that the neighborhood where the tragedy unfolded is dangerous. And the point of cracking down on “small” crimes like selling loosies is to keep the neighborhood from going further downhill.
Tell officers not to enforce “minor” laws, and the surrounding community will grow more dangerous. Yet that is exactly what the Rev. Sharpton is demanding — an end to “broken windows” policing.
I speak to patrol officers daily; they increasingly don’t want to get involved.
Mr. Dietl needs to speak with “Fox News Sunday’s” Chris Wallace, who apparently has a PhD in conventional wisdom.
Perhaps Mr. Deitl should give Mr Wallace an hands on demonstration of what a choke hold is and what it does.
I’d pay to see that.
Whose testimony or opinion to trust? Think. If he said thirteen times he can't breath, that means his air passage was open. It's not a choke.
Despite the media spin, this has nothing to do with race. The constant yammering on “”our “ side about this police Sargeant only feeds the fire and the notion on the left that it’s about race for conservatives. Please stop.
My take as well.
As much as you would like to, you don't get to make rules for other people.
/johnny
My main concern is not whether or not a chokehold was used. My main concern is that a nonthreatening person (he had no weapon, wasn't violent) was killed during an arrest.
In my opinion, chokehold or not, the police did something wrong here. No person, even an uncooperative one with medical issues, should die that way.
And I don't buy the old retort: Well, he shouldn't have resisted. That's true enough. But resisting arrest is not a capital crime.
But you do make a very good point about police apathy (for lack of a better word). This case will most probably cause the pendulum to swing too much in the other direction.
Because a person died does not mean that person was executed.
There was no executioner present.
No lethal force was used.
I totally agree
Pound sand. I’m very well entitled to post my opinions here, as are you.
I beg to differ. Garner did not die of natural causes. He died as a result of police action.
But don't get me wrong. I am quite sure this was an accident. The cop who applied the hold certainly had no desire to harm Garner, and he probably applied the hold as he was taught.
Yet Garner died. Something is wrong here. The police need to re-examine their procedure on how to take down and control a large uncooperative suspect. In particular, they need to look at how a knee is applied to the back of a person who's on his stomach.
But Apparently the person inquiring about the black police sergeant is not.
Gotcha.
What specific police action caused his death?
I agree. This was about concentrated make-an-example-enforcement of a draconian tax on a legal product. Pure and simple.
While circumstances of the arrest and whether it was a legal hold (choke or otherwise) may exist, the fact is this man died as a result of enforcement of tax collection.
If the grand jury says the LEO involved didn’t do anything chargeworthy, he was nonetheless responsible for this man’s death. If I were on a civil jury, I’d make the city of NY pay dearly for their PC and greedy tax laws.
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