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No matter what "Jackie" said, we should generally believe rape claims.
Washington Post ^ | 12/06/2014 | Zerlina Maxwel

Posted on 12/06/2014 10:52:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: ronnie raygun

These false claims will never come to pass if they knew there were going to be swift repercussions civil law suits and jail time for falsifying a rape claim. Duke lacrosse biotch, tawana brawley free with no repercussions
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Better a bullet to the skull.....rapist’s OR false accuser’s.


41 posted on 12/06/2014 12:29:29 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (Had ENOUGH Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

I would bet there is a lawyer in the family. It is probably why RS backed off so quick. They have money.


42 posted on 12/06/2014 12:30:07 PM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: CatherineofAragon
this woman was willing to run to Rolling Stone

I think it was the other way around. The author, who publishes in other magazines as well, was looking for a campus-rape story with particular features. In search of the story she wanted to write, she either made contact with "Jackie" or made her up.

43 posted on 12/06/2014 12:30:24 PM PST by Tax-chick (R.I.P., Dad, 11/25/14. Thanks for the lawyers, guns, and money.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hi, my name is Juanita Broderick and Bill Clinton raped me. Do you believe me now?


44 posted on 12/06/2014 12:37:03 PM PST by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am)
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To: Tax-chick
"I think it was the other way around. The author, who publishes in other magazines as well, was looking for a campus-rape story with particular features. In search of the story she wanted to write, she either made contact with "Jackie" or made her up."

You're right. I heard that put forth days ago, and I completely forgot about it.

45 posted on 12/06/2014 12:37:26 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: CatherineofAragon

I think it’s an important part of the story, reminding us of how the media operates. First, the Party. Then, whatever stories presently serve the Party’s agenda in some way ... whether the stories are fact, fiction, or something in between.


46 posted on 12/06/2014 12:46:51 PM PST by Tax-chick (R.I.P., Dad, 11/25/14. Thanks for the lawyers, guns, and money.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
I agree with you. I don't care for frivolous lawsuits, but IMO these circumstances are anything but frivolous.

Here's the statement from the president, per UVA's website....it pretty much amounts to, "Yeah, so it was a hoax---we wasted a lot of time on it, but we're glad we did and will continue to do so!" Not even a hint of an apology.

Statement of University of Virginia President Teresa A. Sullivan

December 5, 2014

University of Virginia President Teresa A. Sullivan today issued the following statement:

The University of Virginia is aware of today’s reports from the Washington Post and the statement from Rolling Stone magazine.

The University remains first and foremost concerned with the care and support of our students and, especially, any survivor of sexual assault. Our students, their safety, and their wellbeing, remain our top priority.

Over the past two weeks, our community has been more focused than ever on one of the most difficult and critical issues facing higher education today: sexual violence on college campuses. Today’s news must not alter this focus.

We will continue to take a hard look at our practices, policies and procedures, and continue to dedicate ourselves to becoming a model institution in our educational programming, in the character of our student culture, and in our care for those who are victims.

We are a learning community, and we will continue our community-wide discussions and actions on these important issues in the weeks and months ahead. We remain committed to taking action as necessary to bring about meaningful cultural change in our University community.

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47 posted on 12/06/2014 12:48:22 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: SeekAndFind
"We should believe, as a matter of default, what an accuser says. ... Even if Jackie fabricated her account, UVA should have taken her word for it during the period while they endeavored to prove or disprove the accusation...outside the legal system"

This is the most glaring of many logical errors by the author. Anyone who heard Jackie's story should have immediately sought to determine what was going on. How could anyone ignore such a story? The story either indicates a horrible crime took place, in which case the legal system should be promptly involved in order to protect the rest of society from the supposed criminals, or the story indicates Jackie is suffering from some serious mental crisis, something also deserving of immediate professional attention.

The idea that friends, university administrators, or even activist feminists would elect to do nothing about such a story is morally repugnant. If they believe it they are looking the other way and intentionally choosing to shield the identity of a group of predatory, violent rapists. That's like knowing your neighbor is a serial killer and deciding not to tell the police.

And even those who didn't believe the story, which probably includes Jackie's friends who encouraged her not to contact the police and the university, are doing Jackie a disservice. Such a story, which is probably sincerely believed by Jackie, if not based on facts indicates that Jackie needs professional help, whether to deal with mental illness, or as a result of some other trauma.

No anti-rape activist should "believe the victim" but not take steps to ensure that the allegation is investigated, either by the legal system, or by trained mental health professionals. Their weak excuses for women not stepping forward to report crimes don't help the victims, nor the future victims they claim are likely to result from the actions of the supposed serial rapists.

48 posted on 12/06/2014 12:49:35 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: SeekAndFind

Defaming someone and damaging their good name is important to feminazis... because a woman never ever lies about rape.

Yeah, right. Zerlina Maxwell apparently never heard of Raleigh, North Carolina, where several men were falsely accused of rape and prosecuted. Turned out the prosecutor perjured himself as well as the chief accuser lied.

But hey, men accused of a rape they never committed must get on with the program.


49 posted on 12/06/2014 12:49:43 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Tax-chick

I’m optimistic that people are on to these tactics, and are willing to dig to expose the truth.

I just read the original Rolling Stone article. Tucker Carlson was correct; it’s laughable. Until you get to the rape, it reads like a badly written junior romance novel. Then it becomes a tale of a superhero female, who can crash through glass tables and come out unhurt, and who can see her rapists though it’s perfectly dark.


50 posted on 12/06/2014 12:54:49 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: CatherineofAragon

If they were really concerned about their students and their academic success, they would not promote or permit a culture of binge drinking and sexual debauchery. Although the sexual debauchery is more immediately harmful to female students (productive of depression and other psychological disorders, as well as pregnancy), the drunkenness is academically damaging to male students as well.

It would actually be interesting to know how Thomas Jefferson would view the present-day University of Virginia. Heavy drinking and sexual debauchery (for men) were features of his culture as well. Perhaps he would be most distressed by the intellectual decline.


51 posted on 12/06/2014 12:55:59 PM PST by Tax-chick (R.I.P., Dad, 11/25/14. Thanks for the lawyers, guns, and money.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Unless she was given a date rape drug, she should be able to recall specifics.

But with college sex, the line between rape and messing around is a clear one.

A rape victim can tell the difference. DUH


52 posted on 12/06/2014 12:57:32 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: CatherineofAragon
I haven't read it. We're not getting Rolling Stone anymore, because it's been more than a year since my husband or son bought concert tickets through Ticketmaster. Everyone who does is automatically subscribed: that's how they keep their circulation high enough to generate any ad sales.
53 posted on 12/06/2014 12:57:57 PM PST by Tax-chick (R.I.P., Dad, 11/25/14. Thanks for the lawyers, guns, and money.)
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To: SeekAndFind
and errors can be undone by an investigation that clears the accused,

I suppose this is possible, but the accusation is on the front page, and leads the nightly newscast. The disposition of the case as unsubstantiated, is almost never reported. So how does any man so accused regain his reputation? I could sue the accuser and maybe get a judgement. Al Sharpton never paid a dime to the accused in the Tawana Brawley affair, Tawana Brawley has paid some after having her wages garnished. Mangum has paid zero price for her accusation which turned out to be a lie, and she destroyed the lives of several guys and ruined a season of lacrosse for Duke that season. I would be more inclined to believe if there was a gag order until conviction.

54 posted on 12/06/2014 12:58:29 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: dfwgator

I wouldn’t read anything by someone named Zerlina who can’t even spell Maxwell. Or is that a `bell hooks’ sort of thing?


55 posted on 12/06/2014 1:03:50 PM PST by elcid1970 ("I am a radicalized infidel.")
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To: goldstategop; CatherineofAragon
Unless she was given a date rape drug, or was drunk out of her mind she should be able to recall specifics.

One reason this story "rings false" is that there's almost zero possibility that a woman who's not chemically impaired would go off to "get some privacy" at a frat party. Heavy drinking is the norm, drug use is common. It clouds everyone's judgment and makes everyone's "consent" dubious.

I don't suppose the RS article said "Jackie" had gone to Southern Baptist schools in Big Stone Gap and didn't know how babies were made, did it?

56 posted on 12/06/2014 1:05:47 PM PST by Tax-chick (R.I.P., Dad, 11/25/14. Thanks for the lawyers, guns, and money.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We need to take every claim seriously and investigate them.

Belief takes place after the facts are known. This is true with Darren Wilson and it’s true with rape accusations.

And I’ve known a ton of rich white frat boys. None of them needed to gang rape anyone. They didn’t need to. When the story sounds like something out of Penthouse Forum, it is usually fiction.


57 posted on 12/06/2014 1:08:13 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: freeandfreezing

One significant issue with the story was that the crime she claimed she was a victim of was so horrific, there was no way it shouldn’t have been investigated and dealt with in the criminal justice system.

The implication of the story was that every member of that fraternity was a violent rapist who participated in a gang rape of an innocent girl to join the fraternity.

Think about that... For years, everyone chosen to pledge had to participate in a gang rape. ...and no one had ever been horrified enough to come forward.

For years, one or more young women were violently gang raped during rush week. ...and no one had ever come forward.

It doesn’t pass any logical test.


58 posted on 12/06/2014 1:11:48 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: Tax-chick

I have to think Jefferson would be stunned at the concept of women who can drink men under the table.

UVA will never address the issues you mention, because it would entail straight talk that would offend way too many people. It’s so much easier to hold a candlelight vigil and mouth a few meaningless platitudes.


59 posted on 12/06/2014 1:14:41 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: CatherineofAragon

Tucker Carlson has some first-hand experience of this kind of thing. Some years ago a woman accused him of having raped her on a table in a crowded restaurant in a city he had never been to in his life. His employer gave him no support. He eventually got the bogus accusation thrown out and was only out the $10,000 it cost him in legal fees. Apparently the woman was a nutcase who knew him only from having seen him on TV.


60 posted on 12/06/2014 1:15:09 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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