Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Rand Paul is Right: Cig Taxes Factored into Garner's Death
Townhall.com ^ | December 5, 2014 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 12/05/2014 5:30:15 AM PST by Kaslin

Reasonable people can disagree on whether racism was involved in the tragic death of Eric Garner. My own suspicion is that this misfortune could have transpired just as easily with a white man resisting arrest and/or a black cop choking him.

And even though lots of people don't want to hear it, reasonable can disagree on whether illegally excessive force was to blame. Personally, watching the ubiquitous video of Garner's arrest, it looks like excessive force to me. But the simple fact is that a Staten Island grand jury saw evidence that led it to conclude otherwise. People should at least entertain the possibility that it might have gotten the ruling right.

But you know what reasonable people can't dispute? New York's cigarette taxes are partly to blame for Eric Garner's death. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky made this point Wednesday night on MSNBC

's "Hardball with Chris Matthews," and liberals have been freaking out about it ever since.

"I think it's hard not to watch that video of him saying, 'I can't breathe, I can't breathe,' and not be horrified by it," Paul said. "But I think there's something bigger than the individual circumstances. ... I think it's also important to know that some politician put a tax of $5.85 on a pack of cigarettes, so that's driven cigarettes underground by making them so expensive. But then some politician also had to direct the police to say, 'Hey we want you arresting people for selling a loose cigarette.'... For someone to die over breaking that law, there really is no excuse for it. But I do blame the politicians. We put our police in a difficult situation with bad laws."

Now, Paul probably shouldn't have used the word "bigger." He clearly meant cigarette taxes are an issue that transcends the individual circumstances of Garner's death. But it was chum for critics who wanted to misunderstand him. For instance, a column by Salon's Joan Walsh suggested that Paul's answer "wrecked" his presidential prospects.

"What kind of callousness is required to say the 'bigger' issue in Garner's death isn't excessive police use of force, or police practice toward African-Americans generally, but ... taxes?" Walsh wrote. "What kind of heart do you have to have to use the Eric Garner tragedy to rail against ... cigarette taxes?"

Well, I don't know what kind of heart it requires, but I do know that anyone with a level head should understand -- and agree with -- Paul's point. When you pass a law, you authorize law enforcement to enforce it. That's actually why they're called "law enforcement." Google it.

New York City declared war on tobacco a long time ago, and in the process City Hall has become addicted to Brobdingnagian cigarette taxes. That's why law enforcement is enforcing the laws against bootleg smokes.

Of course, reasonable people can debate the wisdom of such laws. But only unreasonable people can deny that those laws are partly to blame. Without cigarette taxes, Eric Garner would be alive today, period.

What's so strange about the outrage over Paul's remarks is that Paul's point is perfectly consistent with his -- and the left's -- opposition to the drug war.

I ultimately disagree with Paul about that, but it's a morally serious argument. Even outright legalizers (Paul says he isn't one) aren't necessarily in favor of, say, heroin use. Rather, they argue that the costs of prohibition outweigh the benefits. Too many are imprisoned, too many are arrested, and too many die accidentally while being arrested. Well what's true of low-level heroin pushers is also true of low-level cigarette pushers. In the war on tobacco, like the war on drugs, if politicians will the ends, they must will the means.

This is something that libertarians understand better than everyone else: The state is about violence. You can talk all day about how "government is just another word for those things we do together," but what makes government work is force, not hugs.

If you sell raw-milk cheese even after the state tells you to stop, eventually people with guns will show up at your home or office and arrest you. If you resist arrest, something very bad might happen. You might even die for selling bootleg cheese.

Everyone agrees: No one should die for selling bootleg cigarettes. But if you pass and enforce a law against such things, you increase the chances things might go wrong. That's a fact, whether it sounds callous to delicate ears or not.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: blackcommunity; cigarettetaxes; paul; randpaul; taxes; tobacco
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-28 next last

1 posted on 12/05/2014 5:30:15 AM PST by Kaslin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

More proof that cigarettes kill.


2 posted on 12/05/2014 5:32:48 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
"... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one MAKES them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. ......just pass the the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."- p.411, Ayn Rand, ATLAS SHRUGGED, Signet Books, NY, 1957 "...

fullyinformedjuries

3 posted on 12/05/2014 5:36:15 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Drango

Two things are certain: death, and taxes.

In this case, it was a twofer...


4 posted on 12/05/2014 5:39:31 AM PST by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Drango

true


5 posted on 12/05/2014 5:39:45 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin; TurboZamboni

Rand/Rand BUMP!


6 posted on 12/05/2014 5:42:13 AM PST by PGalt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Old Sarge
Two things are certain: death, and taxes.

The twin towers of totalitarians. You pay and/or you die.

7 posted on 12/05/2014 5:44:29 AM PST by PGalt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

“The state is about violence. You can talk all day about how “government is just another word for those things we do together, but what makes government work is force”...

Can the law — which necessarily requires the use of force — rationally be used for anything except protecting the rights of everyone? I defy anyone to extend it beyond this purpose without perverting it and, consequently, turning might against right. This is the most fatal and most illogical social perversion that can possibly be imagined. It must be admitted that the true solution — so long searched for in the area of social relationships — is contained in these simple words: Law is organized justice.

Now this must be said: When justice is organized by law — that is, by force — this excludes the idea of using law (force) to organize any human activity whatever, whether it be labor, charity, agriculture, commerce, industry, education, art, or religion. The organizing by law of any one of these would inevitably destroy the essential organization — justice. For truly, how can we imagine force being used against the liberty of citizens without it also being used against justice, and thus acting against its proper purpose?

Law Is Force

Since the law organizes justice, the socialists ask why the law should not also organize labor, education, and religion.

Why should not law be used for these purposes? Because it could not organize labor, education, and religion without destroying justice. We must remember that law is force, and that, consequently, the proper functions of the law cannot lawfully extend beyond the proper functions of force.

When law and force keep a person within the bounds of justice, they impose nothing but a mere negation. They oblige him only to abstain from harming others. They violate neither his personality, his liberty, nor his property. They safeguard all of these. They are defensive; they defend equally the rights of all.

Law Is a Negative Concept

The harmlessness of the mission performed by law and lawful defense is self-evident; the usefulness is obvious; and the legitimacy cannot be disputed.

As a friend of mine once remarked, this negative concept of law is so true that the statement, the purpose of the law is to cause justice to reign, is not a rigorously accurate statement. It ought to be stated that the purpose of the law is to prevent injustice from reigning. In fact, it is injustice, instead of justice, that has an existence of its own. Justice is achieved only when injustice is absent.

But when the law, by means of its necessary agent, force, imposes upon men a regulation of labor, a method or a subject of education, a religious faith or creed — then the law is no longer negative; it acts positively upon people. It substitutes the will of the legislator for their own wills; the initiative of the legislator for their own initiatives. When this happens, the people no longer need to discuss, to compare, to plan ahead; the law does all this for them. Intelligence becomes a useless prop for the people; they cease to be men; they lose their personality, their liberty, their property.

Try to imagine a regulation of labor imposed by force that is not a violation of liberty; a transfer of wealth imposed by force that is not a violation of property. If you cannot reconcile these contradictions, then you must conclude that the law cannot organize labor and industry without organizing injustice.

The Political Approach

When a politician views society from the seclusion of his office, he is struck by the spectacle of the inequality that he sees. He deplores the deprivations which are the lot of so many of our brothers, deprivations which appear to be even sadder when contrasted with luxury and wealth.

Perhaps the politician should ask himself whether this state of affairs has not been caused by old conquests and lootings, and by more recent legal plunder. Perhaps he should consider this proposition: Since all persons seek well-being and perfection, would not a condition of justice be sufficient to cause the greatest efforts toward progress, and the greatest possible equality that is compatible with individual responsibility? Would not this be in accord with the concept of individual responsibility which God has willed in order that mankind may have the choice between vice and virtue, and the resulting punishment and reward?

But the politician never gives this a thought. His mind turns to organizations, combinations, and arrangements — legal or apparently legal. He attempts to remedy the evil by increasing and perpetuating the very thing that caused the evil in the first place: legal plunder. We have seen that justice is a negative concept. Is there even one of these positive legal actions that does not contain the principle of plunder?

/Bastiat


8 posted on 12/05/2014 5:58:41 AM PST by PGalt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PGalt

I was thinking about this case last night. I got arrested for a stupid misdemeanor crime that was cooked up in the first place and did a lot of research. I checked out 4 yrs worth of arrest records by METRO police and found that some folks were put in the slammer for smoking at the bus station.
Seems to me that with all the larger chaos in felonies and riots (blocking traffic), releasing IA’s that have committed far more serious crimes yet its hands off illegals and even the increase in child molestation, sex slave trade....cops must find arresting for misdemeanors the only easy turf left.Perhaps even encouraged to get the stats up.
Then there was the SCOTUS ruling in Atwater that allows cops to arrest for misdemeanors.
However, in this case the guy was a repeat offender. I agree with Paul though that the cig tax was a relevant factor.


9 posted on 12/05/2014 5:58:45 AM PST by magna carta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Drango
More proof that cigarettes kill.

More like more proof taxes kill.

10 posted on 12/05/2014 6:01:15 AM PST by Bettyprob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Paul’s point is excellent (we are forcing our police to enforce bad laws), but is largely irrelevant.

Garner wasn’t able to secure legit employment. His imprisonment record indicates that he likely would have gravitated to violation of any law (good or bad). Perhaps as a hitman or theft.

Garner was in poor health and resisted arrest. The act of resisting arrest lead to his death. Period.


11 posted on 12/05/2014 6:02:55 AM PST by kidd (What we have now is the federal gruberment)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All

http://www.nycsmokefree.org


12 posted on 12/05/2014 6:05:32 AM PST by PGalt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Many things came together which caused his death.


13 posted on 12/05/2014 6:06:00 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All

On both side of this coin…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHYIGy1dyd8

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/fixx/onethingleadstoanother.html


14 posted on 12/05/2014 6:09:47 AM PST by PGalt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Apparently the weasel is listening to Hannity and Rush.


15 posted on 12/05/2014 6:15:08 AM PST by kenmcg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Rand Paul is Right: Cig Taxes Factored into Garner’s Death

_____________________________________________

Yeah. And walking in the middle of the street factored into Brown’s death.

(sheesh!)


16 posted on 12/05/2014 6:29:09 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
Try not paying your taxes and see what happens.... Unless you're Rev. Al...... FEAR
17 posted on 12/05/2014 6:35:58 AM PST by baddog 219
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: magna carta

Thanks for the information and your first-hand experience. I’ve got one but I’ve gotta run..

/fr


18 posted on 12/05/2014 6:36:07 AM PST by PGalt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin; All

I think a great civil protest would be if a crowd of 10 thousand protesters carried signs that read.... “We’re smoking untaxed cigarettes! or We will smoke! Don’t you choke!” and have them smoke or pretend to smoke cigarettes right in front of NY city hall!


19 posted on 12/05/2014 6:47:14 AM PST by mdmathis6
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd
Yeah. And walking in the middle of the street factored into Brown’s death.

Wrong. Not following the Officers order and attacking him factored into the thug's death and that is factual

20 posted on 12/05/2014 6:48:30 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-28 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson