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For some, location of Brown's hands irrelevant
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Posted on 11/28/2014 3:20:50 AM PST by bryan999

FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) -- The word spread within minutes of Michael Brown's death - a young black man with his hands raised in surrender had just been shot by a white cop.

Soon, "Hands Up. Don't Shoot!" became a rallying cry for protesters in the streets of this St. Louis suburb and a symbol nationwide of racial inequality for those who believe that minorities are too often the targets of overzealous police.

Yet the witness accounts contained in thousands of pages of grand jury documents reviewed by The Associated Press show many variations about whether Brown's hands were actually raised - and if so, how high.

To some, it doesn't matters whether Brown's hands literally were raised, because his death has come to symbolize a much bigger movement.

"He wasn't shot because of the placement of his hands; he was shot because he was a big, black, scary man," said James Cox, 28, a food server who protested this week in Oakland, California.

(Excerpt) Read more at hosted.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ferguson; gentlegiant; gonetosoon; jollyteengiant; pantsupdontloot
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1 posted on 11/28/2014 3:20:50 AM PST by bryan999
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On any given summer afternoon in America.....there’s probably 500,000 teens walking around in a daze from their two marijuana smokes of the morning. Some will live. Some will die by a car accident, assault, or just walk off a cliff not realizing the potential danger. This is life in 2014. Brown just wasn’t destined to live a long life.


2 posted on 11/28/2014 3:28:12 AM PST by pepsionice
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“For some, location of Brown’s hands irrelevant”

For some, the evidence is irrelevant.


3 posted on 11/28/2014 3:30:30 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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What happeneds when you try to reach for an officers gun?


4 posted on 11/28/2014 3:32:11 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Empty head empty suit = arrogant little bastard)
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“He wasn’t shot because of the placement of his hands; he was shot because he was a big, black, scary man,”

Or, maybe...just maybe, because he was a thug criminal who ran up against a cop after just robbing a small business owner of goods, and he let his gangsta lifestyle rule his interaction with that cop. He lost.

The protestations of his mother, father, and the rest of Michael Brown’s ‘community’ notwithstanding, he was the catalyst for his own demise, as has been demonstrated by the grand jury ‘no bill’ finding.


5 posted on 11/28/2014 3:38:40 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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“Brown had been walking with a friend down the center of Canfield Drive when Wilson, passing in his patrol vehicle, told them to move to the sidewalk. They did not. Wilson testified that he then realized Brown was a robbery suspect. A scuffle broke out at the vehicle. Wilson fired a shot that hit Brown in the right hand. When Brown ran, Wilson gave chase. At some point, Brown stopped and turned toward Wilson, who opened fire. “

This explanation of the first encounter by the AP shows either bias or incompetence by the reporter. There is no mention of Brown assaulting the officer and going for his gun. An action like this can only be interpreted by the officer as an attempt to kill him.

Without this type of negligent reporting we may have had no grand jury investigation and no riots. This negligence is wide spread in a media that feels it has a right to shape public opinion. The media does great harm to the Nation and the public needs to be careful as to what they believe.


6 posted on 11/28/2014 3:40:26 AM PST by paguch
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To: bryan999

The reason this situation ended up the way it did is because the whole premise of the case against Wilson was based on lies and fabrications in order to fullfil a desire to make this all about race and police brutality.

Th prosecutor most likely handled the GJ the way he did because he knew that if 12 people on the GJ could not be convinced by the facts of the case, a trial, and a great defense attorney in a different venue, would lead to the same conclusion the George Zimmerman case ended up with.

The Zimmerman trial was a real smackdown and embarrassment for the prosecutors. They had poor witnesses, made up facts that could be exposed, and really nothing because they were trying to prove an assumed intent that wasn’t at all provable becuase it wasn’t there.

I would suggest to the Crump team to pick a case where they do not have to “fabricate” a narrative and has a victim that really is a victim. Drugged up, strong arm. gangbangers who have just robbed and pushed a store owner around, do not make people feel sympathetic.

Mike Brown would still be alive today had he just have stood there and behaved himself. That cop had just come from a call to help a sick toddler. I doubt it could be proved he had the intent to go out and kill a black kid over some cigarillos.


7 posted on 11/28/2014 3:42:49 AM PST by dforest
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"He wasn't shot because of the placement of his hands; he was shot because he was a big, black, scary man," said James Cox, 28, a food server who protested this week in Oakland, California.

They aren't angry because a police officer shot an assaulting suspect, they are angry because self-appointed communisty organizizers told them to be angry based on the lies of the suspect's friend (who changed his testimony).

8 posted on 11/28/2014 3:43:29 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Shickl-Gruber's Big Lie gave us Hussein's Un-Affordable Care act (HUAC).)
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>> What happeneds when you try to reach for an officers gun?

Well if you’re white then the officer allows you to take his gun and kill him. It’s called “white privilege”.


9 posted on 11/28/2014 3:43:55 AM PST by Ray76 (When Obama speaks he speaks as the leader of a foreign invasion.)
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To: paguch

Where is the “why can’t we all just get along” plea from Brown’s friend?


10 posted on 11/28/2014 3:45:03 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Shickl-Gruber's Big Lie gave us Hussein's Un-Affordable Care act (HUAC).)
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To: dforest

Whoopi Goldberg used her ABC Disney tv show the View to denounce the Apollo 11 moon landing (on its 40th anniversary) as a fake.

Some people refuse to believe facts.


11 posted on 11/28/2014 3:46:41 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Shickl-Gruber's Big Lie gave us Hussein's Un-Affordable Care act (HUAC).)
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To: bryan999
Hands are up here


12 posted on 11/28/2014 3:48:25 AM PST by McGruff (If you like your current Democracy you can keep it. Period.)
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To: a fool in paradise

A white dude of similar proportions would be equally “scary.”

The excuses, pray the Lord that it is so, may slowly be wearing away here, and the black community may finally realize that it is holding the bag for a philosophy that can only hurt them.

My personal take, as if anyone cares: probably Mike, after first running away from the cop (who was NOT shooting while he did), in rage, turned around and effected a sort of football play with arms high and dashed at the officer, lowering his head in a charge as he did.

This is a situation where it would have been “nice” to have used a taser, but after being beaten like he had been, there might not have been time to grab a taser.


13 posted on 11/28/2014 3:49:36 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: a fool in paradise

he thinks it is a lot funner to get into a rage. even rodney king, who had only been violent because he was partaking of certain street drugs, had more sense afterwards.


14 posted on 11/28/2014 3:51:20 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: paguch

The bigger thing thats missing is that Browns blood was found 25 yards beyond where he fell. So he didn’t, as the article says, just turn. He turned and charged.

The physical evidence shows this. Wilson’s testimony matches it, as does the testimony of several credible eye witnesses.


15 posted on 11/28/2014 3:51:41 AM PST by tanknetter
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And, something I am repeating ad nauseum because nobody else seems to be noting it... the “gentle giant football player” would think of a charge as an offensive move. He would get momentum (kinetic energy, and he would be thinking of diving into the still-open cruiser’s window.


16 posted on 11/28/2014 3:56:03 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: tanknetter

(and, kinetic energy)


17 posted on 11/28/2014 3:56:57 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No square the v, no get ke ... ;-)


18 posted on 11/28/2014 3:59:46 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: a fool in paradise

Another thing that really rubs me the wrong way about this Brown incident is that many black kids in the hood are raised by a gangsta parent or parents, to hate the police. They hate the police because the police arrest them for committing crimes.

The kids aren’t born hating the police, they are taught to hate them. The mother and stepfather are reprehensible creatures. That stepfather is a real felon. I do not know if “mommy dearest” has a record, but she did dump her “boy” that she claims to “love” so much off on Grandma so she could cohabitate with a felon.


19 posted on 11/28/2014 3:59:55 AM PST by dforest
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“He wasn’t shot because of the placement of his hands; he was shot because he was a big, black, scary man,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This is getting so old. Brown was shot because he assaulted a police officer who was acting in the course of duty, and Brown, when ordered to stand down from his assault, refused to do so. Thus he was the victim of the officers lawful use of deadly force.

All Brown had to do was simply stop his assault in order to live, and he was too belligerent to stop, his attitude toward police was disrespectful. This belligerence and disrespect was likely directly caused by his community’s culture and the attitude of his parents, all internalized by this angry young man.

Instead of being a member of civil society, Brown became
a winner of the Darwin Award. Civil Society will never give in to the unlawful disorder required by Brown and his ilk. And why should it? Why should each and every one of us be armed and ready to defend ourselves as opposed to the police doing so on our behalf? If so, you haven’t seen any shooting at all yet. The corpses will pile up like cordwood.


20 posted on 11/28/2014 4:01:26 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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